Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

[eGameUsed]

The 2005 Albert Pujols is still available. Check it out here:

http://www.egameused.com/Pujols_2005_bat.html

My asking price is $4500, but I am open to all offers. I am also open to trade offers! Let me know if interested!

Thanks,

[eGameUsed]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

The 2005 Pujols Autographed bat is still available. It comes with PSA/DNA LOA and the autograph is GAI Authenticated.

Price is now $3600 postage paid. I do take Paypal.com.

Thanks,

[skinner16]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

Your listing says "example" of a game used bat. Does the COA state that Pujols used the bat?

[eGameUsed]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

Skinner16,

By "example," I mean "specimen" or "exemplar." The bat is game used and was obtained through a fellow Dominican player that Pujols gave the bat to. The bat is currently priced at $3600. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Thanks,

[skinner16]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

Does the COA state that Pujols used the bat?
I'm new to all this. Can you give me a link to the Authenticator?

[eGameUsed]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

The COA comes from PSA/DNA and was examined by John Taube (see http://www.psadna.com/bats/index.chtml). The letter is signed by John Taube. As with any letter, they base an opinion off the use characteristics, traits, and markings. John and Vince Malta liked this bat and it passed all requirements for a Pujols with flying colors. The PSA/DNA Certification # is D63136. Follow this link and insert that number and it pulls a picture and detail of the bat itself: http://www.psadna.com/verify.chtml

In addition, the autograph has been certified by GAI (see www.globalauthentication.net). The GAI Certification # is GV133962. Follow this link and insert that number and it pulls up the documention:
http://www.globalauthentication.net/.../certcheck.asp

As mentioned earlier, the bat was given to a fellow Dominican player by Pujols.

Thanks,

[skinner16]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

Thanks for the links. I used them and read that they do not know for sure but as far as they can tell they are real. And since some one paid them why wouldn't they say that?
Why don't they get letters and pics from players? I'd feel much better If a player said "yes that's my bat and I signed it".
As I said I new to all this. I know this has to have been talked about many times but how do you spend $3600 on a bat just because some "expert" says he "thinks" it's real?

[kingjammy24]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

skinner,

interesting post. here's my 2 bits:

"I used them and read that they do not know for sure but as far as they can tell they are real. And since some one paid them why wouldn't they say that?"

if you pay a doctor, does that mean he'll write fraudulent prescriptions for you? if you pay an accountant, does that mean he'll commit accounting fraud for you? some might and some definitely won't. you seem to have lumped everyone into one group and assume that they're all unethnical.

as with most things in life, there are hucksters in this hobby and there are people with a moral compass. there are sloppy authenticators and there are diligent authenticators. as a result, some authenticators have sterling reputations due to their expertise and conduct and others are considered to be the bottom of the barrel. you'll eventually learn whose opinion carries weight and whose opinion is worthless. among bat experts, john taube has a great reputation. if someone had paid taube to authenticate a bat and the bat didn't measure up, i have little doubt he wouldn't issue a positive authentication.

"Why don't they get letters and pics from players? I'd feel much better If a player said "yes that's my bat and I signed it"."

some items will carry such documentation. many won't. these items make their way out of clubhouses in various ways. not all of it can always be documented. as for autographs: if you waited outside a hotel for 2 hrs, for example, and managed to be lucky enough to get pujols to sign your bat as he boarded the team bus, how are you going to also get letter from him discussing the bat? if you're sitting near the dugout and pujols flips you a cracked bat, are you going to then tell him you need a letter stating it was his bat? items aren't always gotten in such official and formal circumstances.

"how do you spend $3600 on a bat just because some "expert" says he "thinks" it's real?"

you don't spend $3600 on a bat because some expert says he think's it's real. you spend $3600 on a bat because YOU believe it's real. you educate yourself. you don't rely entirely on coas/loas. if you're into pujols bats, then you learn what types of bats he uses, the length, weight, characteristics, model, etc. right down to how he marks his knobs, what side the ballmarks should be on, how much pine tar he uses, what color the ballmarks should be, etc. you become your own authenticator.
after you've educated yourself, you consider the source. john taube is considered an excellent source for bats. for pujols bats, you can't go wrong buying from jeff scott.
after all of that, you're eventually forced to take a leap of faith. whether it's a short leap or long leap depends on how much you know about the item. if you know as much about pujols bats as jeff scott, then any leap is likely to be a very short one. if you know nothing about them and are relying entirely on an authenticator, then it's going to be a very long leap. if you're unwilling to take a leap of any length and want 100% rocksolid certainty with every item, then this likely isn't the hobby for you.

rudy.

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

Rudy,

That was one of the best replies I've ever seen on this forum!

Ken

[jon_8_us]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

I agree!Well said rudy.
jon

[skinner16]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

skinner,

interesting post. here's my 2 bits:

"I used them and read that they do not know for sure but as far as they can tell they are real. And since some one paid them why wouldn't they say that?"

if you pay a doctor, does that mean he'll write fraudulent prescriptions for you? if you pay an accountant, does that mean he'll commit accounting fraud for you? some might and some definitely won't. you seem to have lumped everyone into one group and assume that they're all unethnical.

as with most things in life, there are hucksters in this hobby and there are people with a moral compass. there are sloppy authenticators and there are diligent authenticators. as a result, some authenticators have sterling reputations due to their expertise and conduct and others are considered to be the bottom of the barrel. you'll eventually learn whose opinion carries weight and whose opinion is worthless. among bat experts, john taube has a great reputation. if someone had paid taube to authenticate a bat and the bat didn't measure up, i have little doubt he wouldn't issue a positive authentication.

"Why don't they get letters and pics from players? I'd feel much better If a player said "yes that's my bat and I signed it"."

some items will carry such documentation. many won't. these items make their way out of clubhouses in various ways. not all of it can always be documented. as for autographs: if you waited outside a hotel for 2 hrs, for example, and managed to be lucky enough to get pujols to sign your bat as he boarded the team bus, how are you going to also get letter from him discussing the bat? if you're sitting near the dugout and pujols flips you a cracked bat, are you going to then tell him you need a letter stating it was his bat? items aren't always gotten in such official and formal circumstances.

"how do you spend $3600 on a bat just because some "expert" says he "thinks" it's real?"

you don't spend $3600 on a bat because some expert says he think's it's real. you spend $3600 on a bat because YOU believe it's real. you educate yourself. you don't rely entirely on coas/loas. if you're into pujols bats, then you learn what types of bats he uses, the length, weight, characteristics, model, etc. right down to how he marks his knobs, what side the ballmarks should be on, how much pine tar he uses, what color the ballmarks should be, etc. you become your own authenticator.
after you've educated yourself, you consider the source. john taube is considered an excellent source for bats. for pujols bats, you can't go wrong buying from jeff scott.
after all of that, you're eventually forced to take a leap of faith. whether it's a short leap or long leap depends on how much you know about the item. if you know as much about pujols bats as jeff scott, then any leap is likely to be a very short one. if you know nothing about them and are relying entirely on an authenticator, then it's going to be a very long leap. if you're unwilling to take a leap of any length and want 100% rocksolid certainty with every item, then this likely isn't the hobby for you.

rudy.

Thanks for the reply and patience. As I said I know this is not a new subject but I'm new to this authentication biz.

The only point I question is your Dr. and accountant example. There are laws against those things if they do them. Is there anything you can do to an authenticator if they are saying yes to get paid?

In their disclaimers they say they don't guarantee anything, so they're off the hook.

I could type more about the other stuff but I think you're right on about this not being the hobby for me cause for $3600 I do need too be 100% sure.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

skinner,

if you can prove that an authenticator has committed fraud (ie: they approved an item, knowing it was not legit, solely for profit), then surely you'd be able to sue them for committing fraud. the difficult part would be proving they knew the item wasn't legit as opposed to them simply making an error. (to be honest i think more authenticators should be sued for negligence. i wonder how quickly many would leave the business then).

doctors don't guarantee anything either. they simply offer opinions and likelihoods. patients, for example, have a "40% chance of recovery" or an ailment "may possibly be cancer". doctors can be sued for malpractice (ie: failing to do their due diligence and follow proper procedures) but they can't be sued simply for being wrong.

let me offer some final pieces of advice. you stated you're new to the hobby. perhaps a $3600 pujols bat isn't the best starting point for someone new to the hobby. in inquiring about the pujols bat, it seems as if you were completely depending on the authentication. my advice would be to forget the authentication. authenticate it yourself. if you want to depend on someone to tell you whether an item is good or bad, then depend on yourself. i never pay attention to authentications. most times, i find them useless. you came in solely focusing on the authentication. forget the authentication. concern yourself with the important details such as the bat's length, weight, use, provenance, markings, etc.

lastly, if you're looking for 100% certainty, you'll likely have a hard time with almost everything in life. nothing is guaranteed. ultimately, most things in life amount to opinion and likelihoods. when your doctor prescribes medication, he's hoping it will likely work. there is no guarantee. neither is there any recourse because he was wrong. if you've found something in life that provides 100% certainty, then i'd love to hear it.

if you're interested in obtaining items that leave almost no doubt that they're legit, then focus on photomatched items. awhile ago, someone on here was selling a photomatched bat used by pujols. sounds like that may have been the item for you.

rudy.

[skinner16]

Re: Albert Pujols 2005 Autographed Bat For Sale

Thanks for your insite.I see your points, agree with most and don't care to talk about the rest anymore.