Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

[JETEFAN]

Family situation forces me to sell the following jersey's. Please contact me with any questions. I have included pictures. I would like to offer them to the forum before I send them off to auction.

2001 Clemens (Yanks Home) World Series $5700.
2002 Pujols (Home) Pre-July (Mears A5) $3700.
2003 Jeter (Road) World Series (John Taube) $5500.
2002 Jeter (Home) (Grey Flannel) $3500.
1999 Posada (Home) World Series (Steiner) $2500. (Game Issue)

Harvesttrustinv@aol.com

Thanks
George

[CollectGU]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Hi,


i tried photomatching your Clemens WS jersey to Getty photos and the NY and ptach don't match up to what he appears to be wearing...Here is a picture:

[JETEFAN]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Hi,


i tried photomatching your Clemens WS jersey to Getty photos and the NY and ptach don't match up to what he appears to be wearing...Here is a picture:

Thanks for the info, however the Yankees did play more than 1 home game during the series. Getty only has pictures of 1 game. If my jersey was a photo matched Clemens Yankees world series jersey, my price would probaly be $20,000. not $5700. I have priced it accordingly.

[CollectGU]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

That's true,...but I didn't think they used more than 1 home pinstipe per series and I know he only pitched once at home...He may have worn a different jersey on non-pitching home games, but in my opinion that is unlikely.

Regards,
Dave

[JETEFAN]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

That's true,...but I didn't think they used more than 1 home pinstipe per series and I know he only pitched once at home...He may have worn a different jersey on non-pitching home games, but in my opinion that is unlikely.

Regards,
Dave

Dave you are entitled to your opinion, but are wrong on this one. Quickly looking over Steiners list of availiable Yankees jerseys sent by Bob Malandro at Steiner, he has a Mussina 2003 World Series "Game Issued" jersey for sale and Mussina did pitch (Game 3) so unless Steiner is selling a game used as an issued, clearly more than 1 World Series Jersey was issued to Mussina.

[CollectGU]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

So it is plausible, but we know for sure it wasn't worn on the day he pitched.....

Regards,
Dave

[bat_master]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

So it is plausible, but we know for sure it wasn't worn on the day he pitched.....

Regards,
Dave

Dave,

Much as I respect many of the people on this forum for the information they provide it seems you have had nothing but bad things to say when people offer items for sale on the forum.

Take my Willie Mays bat for example. Within minutes of listing it with an asking price of over $9000 you were quick to chastize me about the price. I have to honestly wonder if you are at all interested in the items available or if you just like trying to dig up dirt.

I'd seriously like to know this as you seemed truly offended by my asking price on the Mays. If you would like to make an offer on it, please do so. My email is at the bottom.

Otherwise, (unless an item is an outright and obvious fraud) could you please let sellers sell? If you have a concern with an item please contact the individual privately. I think that would be more than fair to all involved.

Best regards,

[CollectGU]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Tim,

I'm interested in your bat @ $5,750...I thought your price was over retail and I gave my opinion..Sorry if I offended you. As for questioning the Clemens, if you put an item up for sale expect people to ask questions about it and sometimes tough questions...Now this is how I feel you are free to agee or disagree- If you are asking someone to spend almost $6K on something, that's big money and you should explain that your game worn jersey doesn't match the jersey that he pitched in during that series, and at best could have been worn on the bench. Im my opinion, these are important details that should be disclosed and if I ask questions or bring these facts to light, maybe it helps a forum member make a more informed decision before buying something...So I take it upon myself to ask and somehow you are insinuating that I'm doing a "bad" thing...I'm sorry you feel that way but I feel I've done nothing wrong...

Regards,
Dave

[JETEFAN]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Family situation forces me to sell the following jersey's. Please contact me with any questions. I have included pictures. I would like to offer them to the forum before I send them off to auction.

2001 Clemens (Yanks Home) World Series $5700.
2002 Pujols (Home) Pre-July (Mears A5) $3700.
2003 Jeter (Road) World Series (John Taube) $5500.
2002 Jeter (Home) (Grey Flannel) $3500.
1999 Posada (Home) World Series (Steiner) $2500. (Game Issue)

Harvesttrustinv@aol.com

Thanks
George

If any interest , please feel free to make resonable offers.

[JETEFAN]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Family situation forces me to sell the following jersey's. Please contact me with any questions. I have included pictures. I would like to offer them to the forum before I send them off to auction.

2001 Clemens (Yanks Home) World Series $5700.
2002 Pujols (Home) Pre-July (Mears A5) $3700.
2003 Jeter (Road) World Series (John Taube) $5500.
2002 Jeter (Home) (Grey Flannel) $3500.
1999 Posada (Home) World Series (Steiner) $2500. (Game Issue)

Harvesttrustinv@aol.com

Thanks
George

I have just listed the Pujols on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALBERT-PUJOLS-GAME-USED-2002-HOME-JERSEY_W0QQitemZ280062658979QQihZ018QQcategoryZ605 97QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The remaining Jerseys will be discounted $500. each.
Thanks for looking
George

[allstarsplus]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Thanks for the info, however the Yankees did play more than 1 home game during the series. Getty only has pictures of 1 game. If my jersey was a photo matched Clemens Yankees world series jersey, my price would probaly be $20,000. not $5700. I have priced it accordingly.

George - Your Clemens WS 2001 jersey for $5,700 could be the "real deal", and I am not saying yours is legit or not.

I think with the dozens upon dozens of fakes out there we have to be careful because Steiner did sell 2 home jerseys of Clemens as Game Issued from the 2001 World Series. Add to that the several game issued 2001 Clemens home jerseys that were sold and the accessibility to World Series patches then you have the ability for more fakes out there.

I believe that with the absense of Steiner LOA, it would be prudent for a seller to give some provenance.

I know as sellers we are protective of our sources, but is it possible you bought it in good faith from a seller who maybe bought it as a game issued?

My point is, you are feeling very confident you have the real thing so how can you be so confident?

Andrew

[JETEFAN]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

George - Your Clemens WS 2001 jersey for $5,700 could be the "real deal", and I am not saying yours is legit or not.

I think with the dozens upon dozens of fakes out there we have to be careful because Steiner did sell 2 home jerseys of Clemens as Game Issued from the 2001 World Series. Add to that the several game issued 2001 Clemens home jerseys that were sold and the accessibility to World Series patches then you have the ability for more fakes out there.

I believe that with the absense of Steiner LOA, it would be prudent for a seller to give some provenance.

I know as sellers we are protective of our sources, but is it possible you bought it in good faith from a seller who maybe bought it as a game issued?

My point is, you are feeling very confident you have the real thing so how can you be so confident?

Andrew

Andrew,
Your points are well taken, . However I recieved this jersey from someone I have been dealing with for many years as he is connected with Yankees items, having said that, I believe I have priced it more along the lines of an "issued" jersey rather than "game used". I think you would agree that a Clemens used series jersey would be slightly more than the price I am asking! I would like to also say that I was contacted by a forum member who wants to purchase the jersey and as I expressed to him that after reading the posts on the jersey I am more inclined in keeping it. I am the only one who knows were it actually came from and am certain of what it is. I am only selling these items due to medical family matters and do not normally sell any of my collection unless I am upgrading, this is not the case. Once again your points are well taken and I agree with you as to proving authenticity, but as you know with Yankees items you can only go so far as to exposing sources.
Thanks for input
George

[allstarsplus]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

Andrew,
Your points are well taken, . However I recieved this jersey from someone I have been dealing with for many years as he is connected with Yankees items,

Once again your points are well taken and I agree with you as to proving authenticity, but as you know with Yankees items you can only go so far as to exposing sources.
Thanks for input
George

George - Great sources certainly need not be shared, and it is you that has to be comfortable with your sources which it sounds like you are.

I think it was important for you to know that there are a lot of Clemens jerseys out there that were sold as Game Issued including the 2 WS 2001 home jerseys.

In addition, there were dozens of size 48, 50, and 52 blank game issued available which could easily be turned into a Clemens, Jeter, Matsui, etc.

Prior to Steiner getting into the Yankees agreement, it was really difficult getting a real Yankees game used "star" jersey. So my question is, why do you think there are dozens of perfectly tagged Clemens, ARod, Jeter, Matsui out there without Steiner COAs. Eric just posted Misturini's inventory which included several game used Yankees jerseys. There can't be all these people with all these strong contacts. The numbers just don't add up.

The Yankees still use the same internal controls they did pre-Steiner so it makes no sense.

I have read your feelings before about Steiner and much is justified, but I think Steiner's prices have begun to reflect the supply/demand out there. Yes, star players will still be expensive but you know the old saying, you get what you pay for......

Andrew

[JETEFAN]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

George - Great sources certainly need not be shared, and it is you that has to be comfortable with your sources which it sounds like you are.

I think it was important for you to know that there are a lot of Clemens jerseys out there that were sold as Game Issued including the 2 WS 2001 home jerseys.

In addition, there were dozens of size 48, 50, and 52 blank game issued available which could easily be turned into a Clemens, Jeter, Matsui, etc.

Prior to Steiner getting into the Yankees agreement, it was really difficult getting a real Yankees game used "star" jersey. So my question is, why do you think there are dozens of perfectly tagged Clemens, ARod, Jeter, Matsui out there without Steiner COAs. Eric just posted Misturini's inventory which included several game used Yankees jerseys. There can't be all these people with all these strong contacts. The numbers just don't add up.

The Yankees still use the same internal controls they did pre-Steiner so it makes no sense.

I have read your feelings before about Steiner and much is justified, but I think Steiner's prices have begun to reflect the supply/demand out there. Yes, star players will still be expensive but you know the old saying, you get what you pay for......

Andrew

Andrew,

My theory, Yankees items have always been availiable. back to the days when Steiner thought a Yankee was a sented candle!! The issue before Steiner was that no one advertised as the Yankees would go as far as sending police to confiscate. After Steiner started flooding the market, it is not a problem promoting and trying to sell your Yankees items. Who's to say that my item is not a Steiner purchased item with lost paperwork (My dog ate it!!). Bottom line is do your homework, can I get as much for mt item as Steiner!!....NO!! Is my item as legit....absolutly!!! Are ALL of Steiners Yankees items Kosher and to the T as to who, what, when and where? Absolutly not, as it has been mentioned here many times, Steiner has been mistaken many, many times (Selling ARod BP bats as gamers, etc.) But 99.9% of collectors are going to beleive a Steiner item over anything else, as well they should, the odds would be in their favor, but I don't think that every time a Yankees collector tries to sell a Yankees item he should be crucified for not having a Steiner Cert. and assumed to be selling garbage for doing so. Do you think that Steiner and the Yankees can have Jersey's made for any player and at any time and sell it as "used" or "issued" The bosses stash has to run out (if it hasn't already) Yet all this game issued stuff keeps popping up, it's an endless pit!!. You E-Mail Steiner asking for certain players and today they have none and 2 weeks later it's on their web site!! I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing, but anyone else would be questioned, tared and feathered!

[allstarsplus]

Re: Jersey's for Sale Jeter-Pujols Clemens Etc....

99.9% of collectors are going to beleive a Steiner item over anything else, as well they should, the odds would be in their favor, but I don't think that every time a Yankees collector tries to sell a Yankees item he should be crucified for not having a Steiner Cert. and assumed to be selling garbage for doing so.

George - Your quote says it all. 99.9% is overwhelming. That means by your statistics that only 1 in 1,000 would believe a non-Steiner item. By your own statistic you understand why there is all the skepticism. You shouldn't be crucified for having the Yankee jersey without the cert, but we are all smart enough to know that all of these Yankee jerseys out there can't be legit. Yours may be, but unless you are that certain you must have some small degree of doubt. That is the beauty of Steiner, in your situation when you need to sell something---you have the paper behind it.

Yes, they have made some mistakes, but I have seen them rectify mistakes. In the case of the ARod BP or the Posada jersey and some others, MLB defined "game used" as used during the game or BP or just simply sitting on the bench. Homework still is the key.

I don't work for Steiner so I don't have all the answers. Steiner has been their own biggest problem when they dumped for cheap prices all these gamer jersey blanks and un-used game issued.

The other problem is that they didn't permanently mark those items so I believe most have now come back as game used. For someone who doesn't have a conscience, morals, or any respect for common decency coupled with extreme greed you have the recipe for the problem at hand.

The bosses stash has to run out (if it hasn't already) Yet all this game issued stuff keeps popping up, it's an endless pit!!.
You E-Mail Steiner asking for certain players and today they have none and 2 weeks later it's on their web site!! I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing, but anyone else would be questioned, tared and feathered!

By the way, the Boss still has Vintage Yankees items. They just released some more 1970's pants. You know they have to have 1970's and 1980's jerseys too!!!

Steiner also has too many cooks in the kitchen. They have a Retail group, a wholesale group, the game used group, and an Auction group. They all need the product for their customers. I have reserved items from my Rep that another Rep sold to someone else simultaneously. They now deal in a lot of one-of-a-kind items.


When one group is sold-out, another group may still have it available. Like I said, too many cooks in the kitchen. This is probably why it looks like they have an endless supply. I think the Steiner prices are now at a point where dealers can make money and buyers feel comfortable.

Once they solve all the fakes out there, I will be able to sleep better at night (lol).

Andrew