Coach's Corner

[ChrisCavalier]

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all the auction houses do the same thing; sell junk. i was looking through past american memorabilia auctions and couldn't believe the stuff that sold that was classified as game used by a certain player but wasn't. it is a joke and until someone steps up and knocks these guys out of business it will continue.
good for him for doing that show.

While I am not trying to defend anyone here, please note that these types of comments should really not be posted unless there is something definitive that can be substantiated. I agree with those posting in this thread that if you are going to call an item into question you should provide some basis for doing so, no just say things are bad.

In addition, as per the forum rules, if you do have a question about an item being sold, it is expected that you contact the seller before posting here. That is intended to allow the seller an opportunity to respond and potentially eliminate posts that may be based on misunderstandings.

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[bigtruck260]

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With all of the ad space in SCD, you'd think they own stock in the company....

Here is a fine example of a great 'deal' from CC:

A Walter Johnson signed baseball. Two things stand out here...first, Johnson died in 1946 - and the signature is crisp and bright like a Steiner signature. To make matters worse, it is a great signature on a worn baseball. Second, ballpoint pens were not popular until after Johnson's death. Yes, they were available, but for a price - $12.50 each in NYC - it might be possible - but doubtful considering that most ballpoints from the 40's on baseballs have a much different look. If the ball is 'valued' at $25,000, why is it only at $368? Will the consignor allow the auction to end with the ball being significantly less than the estimate?

[allstarsplus]

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Dave - Follow the bouncing ball. That Walter Johnson has a COA from Stat Authentic.

In fact there are 111 items with Stat Authentic COA's on this November 2008 Coach's Corner auction.

In fact, the Babe Ruth ball on Coach's Corner claims a Stat Authentic COA with the following notation (who do some authentication work for the Babe Ruth Museum in Baltimore, MD!) which would lead you to certain conclusions as to Babe Ruth (read Jeff's background on Stat website as it makes no reference to Babe Ruth Museum authentication work)

I did some research into Stat Authentic's relationship to the Babe Ruth Museum and interestly enough, Jeff Stevens was formerly employed as a Director of Retail operations for the museum. When I asked Ed Meerholz CFO of the Babe Ruth Museum about Jeff Stevens or Stat doing Babe Ruth authenticatons he said he couldn't honestly recall Jeff Stevens or Stat doing any Babe Ruth signature authentications for the Babe Ruth Museum. Ed Meerholz said Jeff Stevens is an honest good guy and said the only authentication work he could recall Jeff Stevens doing was some in-person authentication of some retired Orioles signed autographs that were done in front of him.

Who is Stat Authentic? Stevens-Taylor Authentication Team(STAT) 1527 Edge Hill Rd. P. O. Box 273 Abington, PA

Testimonials for Coach's Corner:
"When I chose to auction off my most prized personal momentos, there was no other choice but Coach's Corner." Bobby Schantz -- Former Major League Baseball Player

"They are my number one choice for buying and consigning." Ted Taylor -- Former VP of Fleer, Scoreboard, and Hobby Pioneer (visit http://www.tedtaylor.com/)

"They promised me my consignment check in 30 days, but I always get it in 7." Ken Thimmel -- All American Collectibles

"Those 'pests'are like the green flies at a picnic, always buzzing around and pestering me for autographs." Dick Allen -- Former Major League Baseball Player

http://tedtaylor.com/columns.htm Ted Taylor's Collector's Corner

In all fairness to the background on Jeff Stevens on the Stat website it says,

Jeff Stevens - Longtime retail marketing exec with the Baseball Hall of Fame, Cooperstown, NY; Manager of Mickey's Place, Marketing Director of Cooperstown Bat, Retail Operations Director with Sports Legends at Camden Yards, host of countless star autograph signing events (public and private), creator of many highly coveted Hall of Fame and Cooperstown Bat memorabilia items, specialty marketer of hobby products, baseball "insider", and a lifelong collector.

Ted Taylor - Co-founder of the Philadelphia Baseball Card & Sports Memorabilia Shows, Founding President of the Philadelphia Athletics Historical Society, longtime hobby columnist on the Internet and with both The Philadelphia Daily News and Sports Collectors Digest, VP of hobby sales and marketing for Fleer during the 90's, author of two hobby books and hundreds of published articles, auction house authenticator, frequent "expert witness" in hobby legal cases and featured on HBO as an autograph expert and is a lifelong collector.

[lund6771]

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Here is another incredibly rare piece offered by this respected, and SCD endorsed, auction house

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTmX...eature=related

SCD endorses Coach's Corner?

I just thought they were a paid advertiser that SCD couldn't turn down anymore because no one else advertises with them to their extent.

maybe "endorse" wasn't the right word....maybe blind eye?...whatever the right word for it is, I think that SCD are a bunch of "Female Parts" for allowing these crooks to keep advertising

Dave...you're right what you say....but you know that I'm not making anything up either

[bigtruck260]

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Gotcha.

[momen55]

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sorry chris. here is link to one item. http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...ction_ID=28143
the helmet is from the 90's. how did vic wear it in 77-81? early helmets had the ABC logo embossed in the manufacture process. some time in 89 through early 90, ABC started using decals because it was cheaper to make rather than repair dies as they wore down.

[momen55]

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sometime later, someone bought it and listed it on ebay again as a vic used helmet for $400 or $500. ridiculous.

[skipcarayislegend]

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sometime later, someone bought it and listed it on ebay again as a vic used helmet for $400 or $500. ridiculous.

I remember that helmet. It was pretty obvious that it wasn't a Davalillo-era lid. The MLB logo on the back alone should've said enough. Personally though, when I think of AM my first thought isn't "fakes." Everyone goofs from time to time--especially when your name is Lou and you "authenticate" every thing from every sport. My worries with AM would be shill bidding and lengthy consignor payouts.

Also, the ebay seller of the "Davalillo" helmet was a decent guy from what I remember. I actually emailed him with my thoughts on it. After a few cordial back and forths, he pulled the helmet then relisted it as a 90s-era helmet that was possibly issued to Eric Davis (I think) for BP. It was a completely honest description imo. To my knowledge that helmet never sold. So the buyer, though he should've done his own research before he hit the bid button, was stuck with an item that was grossly misrepresented by AM.

[bigtruck260]

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He just posted another video, this time he goes after the Pujols stuff...
I agree, he needs to detail why the sigs are fake - and provide examples from Steiner. It is pretty reflective on how I felt as I winded down my autograph collecting. It is upsetting when I listed a real Pujols ball that I got in person - and it only fetched $110, while an obvious forgery sold at the same time for more. I have empathy for the guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGIvnxnqXAA

[allstarsplus]

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He just posted another video, this time he goes after the Pujols stuff...
I agree, he needs to detail why the sigs are fake - and provide examples from Steiner. It is pretty reflective on how I felt as I winded down my autograph collecting. It is upsetting when I listed a real Pujols ball that I got in person - and it only fetched $110, while an obvious forgery sold at the same time for more. I have empathy for the guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGIvnxnqXAA

If somebody has a YouTube account where they can post comments they should give this guy this link as your suggestion is a good one.

He should use a Steiner Jeter ball and a UDA Pujols balls in his examples.

This is Pujols who is with Upper Deck Authenticated



Derek Jeter with Steiner Sports



Link to FBI site for Operation Bullpen hoping they investigate some more garbage http://sandiego.fbi.gov/bullpen/bullpen.htm

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

[allstarsplus]

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http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=118893

Here is the Jeter on Coach's Corner vs. Steiner's:

[bigtruck260]

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Andrew,

Looks like he took your advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFyKbm4ZMzs&feature=related

[3arod13]

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I think he needs to be more specific and provide details as to why they are fake. It seems more of his opinion, than factual proof.

[allstarsplus]

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I think he needs to be more specific and provide details as to why they are fake. It seems more of his opinion, than factual proof.

The irony is that he probably has the same credentials as some of the "so-called" authenticators.

I commend him for going online and speaking his mind and what he really needs is Rudy to help him present the side-by-side autographs better.

That recent video is great when he says the guys buying the crap are upset at him instead of being upset at the guy that sold it to him. Typical problem in society is to attack the person delivering the message.

[3arod13]

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That recent video is great when he says the guys buying the crap are upset at him instead of being upset at the guy that sold it to him. Typical problem in society is to attack the person delivering the message.

Yeah, it's like when a spouse cheats on a spouse. Instead of being upset and going after the cheating spouse, the focus is on the other person who was messing with the spouse.