Coach's Corner

[bigtruck260]

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His disclaimer seems to be that he is going after the most obvious forgeries rather than the borderline sigs....

As far as authentication...I have my own opinions about it.

He seems to be a hard core Jeter fan (probably has seen a million Jeter sigs, right - even browsing eBay and other stuff), Jeter's sig is kind of like Mantle, almost spot on - rarely goes off of the template. If I was looking to buy a Jeter auto for my personal collection, I would rather have someone who knows 'nothing but Jeter' give me the thumbs up. That's just me...

If I was in the market for a Zimmerman or Soriano bat, I'd email Andrew rather than sending it to one of the authenticators - especially if it was something I was planning on keeping forever, rather than flipping in a year. I do realize that some folks live and die by PSA/JSA, etc...and from a business standpoint it only makes sense since many newer collectors (and some old ones) only want things that have the certification.

As far as Pujols and A-Rod, they have variations of sigs...and are much more difficult to judge. I would only buy an auto of Albert that was witnessed by UD or the Foundation - even if I was 99% sure that it was the real deal. There are some really good fakes out there to go with the bad ones.

I have empathy for the guy making these videos. He is taking a big risk by publicly shooting at an auction house.

[allstarsplus]

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Yeah, it's like when a spouse cheats on a spouse. Instead of being upset and going after the cheating spouse, the focus is on the other person who was messing with the spouse.

I like your analogy, but I think it is more like the neighbor goes on YouTube and says that the spouse is cheating on you (which is true) and then instead of taking it out on the cheating spouse they both take it out on the neighbor.

Note - Don't shoot the messenger!~

If I was in the market for a Zimmerman or Soriano bat, I'd email Andrew rather than sending it to one of the authenticators

LOL. You pegged my only 2 specialities in the Game Used area! Your point is spot on with people with their own areas of expertise.

I remember in 1998 when everyone wanted McGwire items and there were so many fake signatures, I think his name is Randall Hahn who was the expert on just McGwire sigs. People were paying several $100's for just totally fake junk.

After getting ripped off on a $35 ball with a fake Harmon Killebrew, I figured out what the fake ball market is all about---VLOUME! If you take a $10 baseball and fake the signature, you have a screwed up $10 ball that is only good to play catch with your kid. The forger made about $25 on that ball and if he repeats that 10 times a day he is making $250 a day.

If you get away with it on a Jeter or Pujols, maybe the number jumps to $85 or more per fake ball than you only need to sell 4 and make $300 per week.

Somebody is still living large off of fake sigs and Operation Bullpen should maybe do a 2nd sweep and find out where this current load of crap is coming from!

[jobathenut]

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in american justice,youre innocent until proven guilty,but not on here i guess,just because some person claims it,well it's got to be true cause so and so said it to be.......no evidence,just your word....not sure how all of these claims and that youtube thing isnt slander....im not saying that cc is guilty,or not gulity,im just pointing out there is no way to just be able to claim they sell fake autographs without having the proof...i know there are alot of "experts" on here that think thier word is golden,that they are in the know when it comes to autographs,but i just think that no place especially auction places are fake proof,and i also dont think places like steiner and psa are either.....i mean if it turned out that everyones #1 place steiner turned out to sell fakes,it would blow alot of yours minds......and just because they sell autographs cheap,doesnt mean its a fake......i mean in selling off some of my collection,ive sold some of my items for less than what i paid for the item.....you just realize youre not finding anyone to pay what you paid for it.......and yes,ive done buisness with cc and i am very happy with what i bought from them,i bought a item,that i also had a in-person signed item of that person and the one i bought from them looks just like the one i got myself.........i just dont know if you should blame them cause someone consigns a fake autograph to them to sell,they cant be held responsible anymore than ebay can......

[chakes89]

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[ChrisCavalier]

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I believe the last two posts are referring primarily to a post that we needed to delete as it violated the following forum rule:

In instances where a forum member is identifying an item in the hobby they believe to have issues, it is expected that the poster clearly state their findings in the form of an opinion and provide adequate rationale for why they believe there is an issue. When possible, it is expected that the poster questioning an item will attempt to contact the seller of the item and allow at least 24 hours for the seller to reply before posting. This will prevent postings that may be generated based on misunderstandings of an item.

Joba, if you would like your recent post removed in light of the recent deletion please let us know.

[cohibasmoker]

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in american justice,youre innocent until proven guilty,but not on here i guess,just because some person claims it,well it's got to be true cause so and so said it to be.......no evidence,just your word....not sure how all of these claims and that youtube thing isnt slander....im not saying that cc is guilty,or not gulity,im just pointing out there is no way to just be able to claim they sell fake autographs without having the proof...i know there are alot of "experts" on here that think thier word is golden,that they are in the know when it comes to autographs,but i just think that no place especially auction places are fake proof,and i also dont think places like steiner and psa are either.....i mean if it turned out that everyones #1 place steiner turned out to sell fakes,it would blow alot of yours minds......and just because they sell autographs cheap,doesnt mean its a fake......i mean in selling off some of my collection,ive sold some of my items for less than what i paid for the item.....you just realize youre not finding anyone to pay what you paid for it.......and yes,ive done buisness with cc and i am very happy with what i bought from them,i bought a item,that i also had a in-person signed item of that person and the one i bought from them looks just like the one i got myself.........i just dont know if you should blame them cause someone consigns a fake autograph to them to sell,they cant be held responsible anymore than ebay can......

Joba - I agree with some of what you say. There isn't an authenticator out there who hasn't made a mistake (s). We forget, the authenticator's authenticate an item based on "opinion" and NOT scientific evidence. I am willing to bet that if some authenticators were to walk into court and claim to be experts, most would not pass Voir dire and ultimately be dismissed.

To the best of my knowledge, there is one person that I know of who has been certified as an "expert" witness in the sports memorabilia field and that person is Milt Byron. If there are others, I invite other forum members to jump in.

With that said, if people want to keep publicly slamming people I say go right ahead. Just don't be surprised if one day there's a sheriff knocking at your door with civil papers inviting you to court and the first words you're hear out of the Judge's mouth when you're wearing your new suit will be -
will the defendant please rise.

Jim

[jppopma]

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I agree with Jim that people do need to watch what they say and remember that this is a public forum (without an edit or delete button..) that can be accessed by anybody later on.

At the same time, I'm pretty sure many of the people that get slammed on here will likely be using their lawyer money to defend criminal cases and not be able to worry so much about the civil stuff. Well, unless their lawyers offer up some two for one special....