Staubach Fake Finally Finds A Home....

[slats7]

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I would think that the jerseys used in the subsequent games would be different, since the "Hail Mary" jersey would have that noticable rip/repair on the front.

Oh, of course. But the Cowboys used those wide-lettered nameplates during most of the 1970s. It makes no sense that he'd suddenly have bunched letters on his jersey for the "Hail Mary" game, and then revert to the normal style the next two games. The equipment manager wouldn't be that erratic/sloppy.

I'll see if I can post some video stills from that game. The nameplate seems to match up (in the "Hail Mary" game, I mean).

That should end the debate once and for all. I have that game on a DVD somewhere, but can't find it.

[gwh11]

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Here are a couple of shots of Staubach from the "Hail Mary" game. Compare the alignment and spacing of the letters on the nameplate to the one in the Lelands photo. What do you think?
Guy

[slats7]

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Here are a couple of shots of Staubach from the "Hail Mary" game. Compare the alignment and spacing of the letters on the nameplate to the one in the Lelands photo. What do you think?
Guy

Thanks for hunting down the screengrabs. I guess I'm still bothered by the nameplate lettering. The letter alignment in the auction photo is still too tight compared to the video grab. Also, the "C" in STAUBACH looks different, although it could be due to a bad camera angle. The mystery widens.

[gwh11]

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Look closely at how the A, B and A on the nameplate are aligned above the 1 and 2 below. Compare to the Lelands pic. Frankly, I don't see much difference here.
Guy

[aeneas01]

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great screen grabs gwh11!

the grabs that slats7 posted, of staubach warming up before the rams game, seem to show staubach sporting a shirt that was heavily stained around the shoulder pads, that the wash didn't completely knock out - in the same area where he was muddied in the vikes game. also, there seems to be the same funky thing going on with the "t" when comparing the rams grabs to the vikes grabs, kind of sits a little higher than the rest of the letters... looks like the same shirt to me.

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[slats7]

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great screen grabs gwh11!

the grabs that slats7 posted, of staubach warming up before the rams game, seem to show staubach sporting a shirt that was heavily stained around the shoulder pads, that the wash didn't completely knock out - in the same area where he was muddied in the vikes game. also, there seems to be the same funky thing going on with the "t" when comparing the rams grabs to the vikes grabs, kind of sits a little higher than the rest of the letters... looks like the same shirt to me.

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Clarification: I wasn't suggesting that Roger was wearing the same jersey he wore he in Minnesota. I mean, why would they mend a torn, dirty jersey when they could just issue him a new one? If the Leland's jersey is fake (and I'm still leaning that way), then someone went to a great deal of trouble to make it look like the real thing--right down to the mended tear.

[UGA-1]

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Great work so far on this jersey guys!

What bothers me is the story. Why such a crazy story if it is genuine? Also, can the auction house sell an item that the cosigner says was stolen? If I tried to sell my jerseys as "stolen straight off the bench when no one was looking!" I might be asking for trouble. Don't cha think??
Just curious.

[gwh11]

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Thanks Roger; I don't think I have the Rams game so I can't check to see if the jersey was used in that game as well.

This grab shows the rip near the 2 on the front.

Does anyone remember an old, old post (maybe on the first version of this forum) where someone said they had this jersey and it was stolen from their home? Or am I imagining things?

Guy

[gwh11]

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Whoops, meant to say "Thanks Robert"!
Guy

[slats7]

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Regarding a discussion earlier in this thread about foam padding on his helmet, here's a pic that proves that he did use it during the 1972 season--the last such season, in fact.


12/23/72

[John in KY]

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Regarding a discussion earlier in this thread about foam padding on his helmet, here's a pic that proves that he did use it during the 1972 season--the last such season, in fact.


12/23/72

According to Helmet - this one they have displayed should be that helmet that Staubach is holding above. According to the HelmetHut text it was acquired from the team before training camp in 1973 - which would correspond to Staubach's switch to the Maritta/Maxpro helmets. Photo from HelmetHut:



It's interesting to note in the first photo this helmet appears drilled for a "U-bar" - you can see the holes under the blue stripes.

On a side note - I think I read somewhere that "Maxpro" was a second "brand" for Marietta applied only to those kinetic helmets - kind of like Ford owns the brand "Lincoln" - but when the company changed hands in the mid 1970s it took the Maxpro name. I'm not sure of the details, but at some point they also either merged with Kelley or at least took over producing and distributing them while Kelley himself retained ownership.

[John in KY]

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It's interesting to note in the first photo this helmet appears drilled for a "U-bar" - you can see the holes under the blue stripes.

EDIT - I thought the holes were too narrow for a Wildcat sweatband which is why I said "U-bar", but upon closer look the holes would be the same for a U-bar and a sweatband. Also didn't realize you can't edit your posts here.

[slats7]

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According to Helmet - this one they have displayed should be that helmet that Staubach is holding above. According to the HelmetHut text it was acquired from the team before training camp in 1973 - which would correspond to Staubach's switch to the Maritta/Maxpro helmets. Photo from HelmetHut:



It's interesting to note in the first photo this helmet appears drilled for a "U-bar" - you can see the holes under the blue stripes.

On a side note - I think I read somewhere that "Maxpro" was a second "brand" for Marietta applied only to those kinetic helmets - kind of like Ford owns the brand "Lincoln" - but when the company changed hands in the mid 1970s it took the Maxpro name. I'm not sure of the details, but at some point they also either merged with Kelley or at least took over producing and distributing them while Kelley himself retained ownership.

I kinda doubt that that helmet was used in the Dallas-Frisco playoff game or any other game. Looks too darn pristine to me. No scratches, no chipped paint, facebar looks brand new, etc. More likely it was "game-issued" but never used. Still valuable, though.

[mvandor]

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I kinda doubt that that helmet was used in the Dallas-Frisco playoff game or any other game. Looks too darn pristine to me. No scratches, no chipped paint, facebar looks brand new, etc. More likely it was "game-issued" but never used. Still valuable, though.

If it was obtained prior to the 1973 training camp, it had likely been refurbished in the off-season with the expectation Staubach would be using it, but he switched to Maxpro instead making this lid expendable in compliance with the high ranking NFL team exec's request.

Of course, the only provenance HH shares is that story really, so who knows?

[slats7]

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Here's a photo from the '72 playoff game. Pretty safe to say it's not the same one in the Helmet Hut collection. The game photo shows an extra "stud" forward of the earhole, and the star itself is placed much higher on the helmet than the HH example.