Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Thanks for the history lesson, professor.

What.....no insulting picture to add to your venom?

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Unfortunately, it goes far beyond individuals sucking off the system. There are too many unions, corporations, local and state governments, the federal government, etc...bankrupting the citizens of America. It is a numbers game. The entities living off the system get to vote. As long as there are more parasites than producers, you will have Socialists in power. Despite how truly incompetent it is, the current government isn't the problem. It is the result of the problem. You had best get used to Socialism for it will persist and thrive in America for quite some time (you haven't seen anything yet!).

With respect to Limbaugh and Vick, the NFL is a big business. The NFL decided that Vick, despite his problems, was still good for business (would sell tickets) and Limbaugh was bad for business. It is about money. Period.

Thanks for the history lesson, professor.

[iceman13]

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The NFL uses a collective bargaining agreement. By definition, this agreement is socialism. I hate socialism! It is ruining this great country that Ronald Reagan worked so hard to found.
I am boycotting all NFL games played in Los Angeles this season for this reason.
Anyone who gets a government hand-out (unemployment or disability check or food stamps) is a dirty socialist.
Jesus H. Christ is a true conservative.
Does everyone want to hear my thought on politics and religion?
I didn't think you did...

Unfortunately, it goes far beyond individuals sucking off the system. There are too many unions, corporations, local and state governments, the federal government, etc...bankrupting the citizens of America. It is a numbers game. The entities living off the system get to vote. As long as there are more parasites than producers, you will have Socialists in power. Despite how truly incompetent it is, the current government isn't the problem. It is the result of the problem. You had best get used to Socialism for it will persist and thrive in America for quite some time (you haven't seen anything yet!).

With respect to Limbaugh and Vick, the NFL is a big business. The NFL decided that Vick, despite his problems, was still good for business (would sell tickets) and Limbaugh was bad for business. It is about money. Period.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

just before last year's all-star break, a MA state trooper confiscated a vial of steroids from nicholas cyr, a red sox security staffer. cyr said he got them from jared remy, another red sox security staffer. both men, who earned about $11/hr were fired. "Remy said he learned that he had been named as the source of Cyr’s steroids from Mike Dee, then the Red Sox chief operating officer. “[Dee] basically told me the Red Sox have a no-steroids policy,’’ Remy said. “If your name’s even mentioned, you’re going to get fired.’’

on july 30, 2009, david ortiz was revealed by the NYT as having tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003; an offence that ortiz earlier said should lead to a ban "..for the whole year". i don't recall ortiz ever been disciplined or punished by the red sox or major league baseball.

it's easy to talk about the importance of image and discipline when referring to a bunch of easily-replaceable $11/hr employees. apparently if you can put runs on the board and generate significant money for the team and league, discipline and image aren't so important anymore. vick was given a second chance because the NFL believed he could generate more money. if some $11/hr NFL employee had been convicted of the same thing, could they get a second chance? could they get a meeting with goodell and be reinstated? obviously not. the NFL would fire them and that'd be the end of it.

that said, it's no different in the "real world". CEOs and execs get away with things that would get junior staffers fired in a heartbeat. basic law of supply and demand. if you're in short supply and hard to replace, you can behave with impunity. the NFL is no different than any other business in that respect. i'd think hollywood is even more egregious in this area as you can apparently drug and rape a 13 yr old girl and the industry will instead focus on what a great director you are and will be more than happy to continue working with you.

rudy.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Nonsense.

Rush wasn't excluded because of his political beliefs - conservatives make up most of the NFL's current ownership - but because his job requires him to be provocative and controversial. Not exactly what the image-conscious NFL wants in a minority partner.

All the posturing from Rush and his defenders is just that.

Really? Check out some of the lyrics of singer, song-writer "Fergie". She is a partner with the Miami Dolphins. I guess her hip-hop lyrics is just what the image-conscious NFL wants in a minority owner.

Jim

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

The NFL uses a collective bargaining agreement. By definition, this agreement is socialism. I hate socialism! It is ruining this great country that Ronald Reagan worked so hard to found.
I am boycotting all NFL games played in Los Angeles this season for this reason.
Anyone who gets a government hand-out (unemployment or disability check or food stamps) is a dirty socialist.
Jesus H. Christ is a true conservative.
Does everyone want to hear my thought on politics and religion?
I didn't think you did...

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

OOOO-K...so I guess there's no controversy in having players in your league that have killed people by DUI, been accesories to murder, took part in a dogfighting ring, carried concealed weapons illegally, and caused disruptions at nightspots.

The second chances for Vick, Little, Lewis are only an issue because Limbaugh didn't even get a FIRST chance? I wonder if the NFL would have acted similarly if Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or George Soros wanted to buy a piece of a team? As it happens, there have been unconfirmed reports that Soros is part of the same bid Rush was chased out of...if Rush should be denied, then so should Soros (if this is true)...otherwise, the NFL is just another member of the legion of organizations that have discriminated against and demonized conservatives since January 20, 2009.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[STLHAMMER32]

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Most people spoke out about racist comments that he supposedly made...that is why figures like Al sharpton led protests against him being a part owner. If he was simply considered a procative radio talk show host it would not have mattered. He is not a racist, anyone black or white that are his close friends will speak to that. It's a shame how hypocritical the NFL is in many aspects not just this situation.

[BorchertField]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

So, Rush Limbaugh has been denied the right to be a partner in the purchase of a NFL team. Seems the NFL doesn't have a problem and is willing to give criminals a second chance - they only have a problem with person (s) who have "opposing" political views.

There are those who say this thread is of a political nature and as such, my comments don't have a place on a "sports" related forum. I say Politics DO have a place in sports and it is evident by the decision of the NFL and Mr. zero tolerance himself - Roger Goddell.

Jim

Nonsense.

Rush wasn't excluded because of his political beliefs - conservatives make up most of the NFL's current ownership - but because his job requires him to be provocative and controversial. Not exactly what the image-conscious NFL wants in a minority partner.

All the posturing from Rush and his defenders is just that.

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Agreed, Jim...that's why any NFL memorabilia, game-used, and collectibles I own are now either being sold, given away or tossed in the trash. I had Bears-Packers tickets for here later in the year...I sold 'em, as I refuse to attend another NFL game because of this situation.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

So, Rush Limbaugh has been denied the right to be a partner in the purchase of a NFL team. Seems the NFL doesn't have a problem and is willing to give criminals a second chance - they only have a problem with person (s) who have "opposing" political views.

There are those who say this thread is of a political nature and as such, my comments don't have a place on a "sports" related forum. I say Politics DO have a place in sports and it is evident by the decision of the NFL and Mr. zero tolerance himself - Roger Goddell.

Jim

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

stop posting pictures of your woman!

Can we please euthanize this thread and put it to sleep with dignity?

[dirtyla2000]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

stop posting pictures of your woman!

[dirtyla2000]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

no,Im actually an out of shape 5 foot 8, 220. can t bench press much!

[kingjammy24]

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"..make 240,000 clear married 18 years, 2 teen aged boys and i am 42..I also have a bachelor in eng. lit.."

elmer, don't forget to tell them about the mansion and the yacht!



rudy.