MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

[xpress34]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Jeff -

Two other things I just noticed... in defense of your argument:

1 - as far as I know, Albert has always had his jerseys tailored with the 'straight edge' bottom as he doesn't like tail stuck down his pants.

2 - look closely at the 2001 again... in the top pick look at the R side and the sleeve - in the bottom, look at the L. What is that tag that you can see through the jersey?

- Chris

[xpress34]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

DAMN IT!!!

REVERSE the L and R I put below...

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

In my e-mail to Hunt, I noted that there were no changes to the fonts and sizes of the numbers and letters when Majestic took over. When the Cardinals resumed putting numbers on the front of their shirts in 1999, the numbers were a bit smaller than they were in 1996 and prior -- but they haven't changed since 1999. If you look at photos of Albert from 2001, the 5 on front clearly is different than the Hunt jersey and it's positioned closer to the buttons.





As for the tagging, I think maybe you're just seeing the top half of the size flag. That size 48 flag is only about 50% exposed. I don't see any problem with the tagging front or back.

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I just re-read your post -- the tag in the sleeve probably is a tag put there my MEARS.

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Here's the Hunt 2001 Pujols shirt compared with a 2001 jersey that was auctioned by Christian Family Day (and once owned by Rob Steinmetz). Note the inconsistencies in the fonts (especially the 5 on front), the placement of the 5 on front, the placement of the name plate and number on the back, and the spacing of the letters on the name plate.

[mattmueller]

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Rob L came through with video stills of the 1999 All Star game and McGwire in pre game, and his two ABs. Patch is located on different sleeve than the offered jersey. Photos are in the thread in the Memorbilia Discussion topic. Thanks Rob.

[Birdbats]

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I received this e-mail from Hunt today regarding the McGwire jersey:

I understand your question about the McGwire jersey due to the photo yousent with your email. I did some research yesterday and found a photo of Wetteland and Offerman on Getty Images #51615978 that offers evidence that the patches may have been on either arms for reasons unknown to us. Wetteland's is on his right arm and Offerman's is on his left arm. I also found an image of Martinez on Gold Medal Impressions with the patch on his left arm. One thought that has been referenced in the past (unrelated to this jersey) was that player uniform patches would sometimes be placed on their lead shoulder when batting (right or left handed) so as to provide maximum visibility on t.v. batting shots. Perhaps the athletes were issued two uniforms for the 1999 All Star game. The letter from BAT states that the uniforms used by the athletes were collected by BAT after the game, signed and given to BAT to be sold for the benefit of The Baseball Assistance Team. So, we certainly always appreciate any additional insight offered to us so as to better inform interested bidders and as such will be making a notation to the auction description online.

I am still working on evaluating the Pujols jersey and will let you know our findings when I have completed my research. Obviously, we will amend our descriptions and or remove from the auction any item we deem not to be authentic as we have done many times in the past.

Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

Hunt Auctions
256 Welsh Pool Rd
Exton, Pa 19341

[hblakewolf]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I received this e-mail from Hunt today regarding the McGwire jersey:

I understand your question about the McGwire jersey due to the photo yousent with your email. I did some research yesterday and found a photo of Wetteland and Offerman on Getty Images #51615978 that offers evidence that the patches may have been on either arms for reasons unknown to us. Wetteland's is on his right arm and Offerman's is on his left arm. I also found an image of Martinez on Gold Medal Impressions with the patch on his left arm. One thought that has been referenced in the past (unrelated to this jersey) was that player uniform patches would sometimes be placed on their lead shoulder when batting (right or left handed) so as to provide maximum visibility on t.v. batting shots. Perhaps the athletes were issued two uniforms for the 1999 All Star game. The letter from BAT states that the uniforms used by the athletes were collected by BAT after the game, signed and given to BAT to be sold for the benefit of The Baseball Assistance Team. So, we certainly always appreciate any additional insight offered to us so as to better inform interested bidders and as such will be making a notation to the auction description online.

I am still working on evaluating the Pujols jersey and will let you know our findings when I have completed my research. Obviously, we will amend our descriptions and or remove from the auction any item we deem not to be authentic as we have done many times in the past.

Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

Hunt Auctions
256 Welsh Pool Rd
Exton, Pa 19341

Jeff-
Glad to see that the folks at Hunts addressed this and replied to you.

Regrdless of this email, I've yet to see a single shot of this jersey in question being worn or a shot with the patch placement on the opposite arm as offered on this particular jersey.

I don't have any interest in hypothesis, or comparisons to other players' jerseys. Let's just stick to the facts of this prticular jersey and the lack of any evidence to support it was worn during the 1999 AS Game.

As I always note, do your own homework. In this case, my "homework" and extensive research has yet to pass the grade that this shirt was ever on the back of big MAC before, during or after the '99 AS Game. Should another forum reader have any supporting photos, please post.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[kingjammy24]

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quote from hunt's: "I did some research yesterday and found a photo of Wetteland and Offerman on Getty Images #51615978 that offers evidence that the patches may have been on either arms for reasons unknown to us. Wetteland's is on his right arm and Offerman's is on his left arm".

nonsense. obviously all-stars from different teams have long worn the ASG patch on different sleeves. as for the "reasons unknown" to hunt, let me offer the common sense explanation that it would've been very difficult to sew the ASG patch on wetteland's left sleeve when that sleeve already had a texas rangers patch sewn onto it. typically, if the default location for the ASG patch is already occupied by another team patch, they'll simply sew the ASG patch on the opposite sleeve.



if cheryl/hunts had simply looked at a few more photos of the '99 rangers she would've seen why wetteland had to have the ASG patch on his right sleeve.

obviously the location of the ASG patch would be expected to vary by team given that some teams wore team patches while others didn't. however, there shouldn't be a variation of the ASG patch for a single player.

anyway, i believe this mcgwire shirt was previously auctioned off by mastro sometime around 1999/2000 when mastro received a large bulk of the B.A.T. '99 ASG shirts. see this thread: http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=25350

not only does the mcgwire jersey not match game photos/video, but the joe torre jersey offered by mastro/B.A.T. didn't match up either.

not only is the patch an issue but the nameplate is too high.



here's a picture of ryne sandberg during the 1991 ASG. both of the sleeves of the 1991 cubs road shirts had team patches on them (cubs patch and bear patch) so they sewed the ASG patch the only place they could..on top of one of the team patches:



rudy.

[mattmueller]

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From the photo I posted above, isn't the logical guess is that he was given a jersey with the patch on the left sleeve and he wore it during the workout day? That is the jersey that BAT and now Hunt received? Different question altogether why McGwire wore the full Cards uni and everybody else in the photo was wearing the "BP" jerseys.

[mattmueller]

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To Jeff's reply from Hunt, and to get all this into the same thread. Rob L provided stills from McGwire pre-game, introductions, 3ABs and one trip to the on deck circle from the game in a different thread. Photos below, none match the offered.

[kingjammy24]

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From the photo I posted above, isn't the logical guess is that he was given a jersey with the patch on the left sleeve and he wore it during the workout day? That is the jersey that BAT and now Hunt received?

matt,

here is the photo you posted:



i don't believe it's logical to think that the jersey above does not have the patch on the right sleeve. if you look at the position of the sleeve crease, it seems that most of what's being seen is the rear of the sleeve. there's a lot more sleeve that's being twisted around/hidden from view. i believe the patch is on the right sleeve and it simply can't be seen. i've seen many jerseys in photos that looked like they were missing a patch but the sleeve was simply positioned/twisted in a such a way that it hid the patch.

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

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Assuming that since there is no A.S. game patch on right arm...

matt,

here's what i mean by the sleeve creases. the red arrows below point to the sleeve creases. your photo is showing the rear of mcgwire's sleeve. i think you believed you were seeing the side of it.



rudy.

[sportscentury]

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matt,

here is the photo you posted:



i don't believe it's logical to think that the jersey above does not have the patch on the right sleeve. if you look at the position of the sleeve crease, it seems that most of what's being seen is the rear of the sleeve. there's a lot more sleeve that's being twisted around/hidden from view. i believe the patch is on the right sleeve and it simply can't be seen. i've seen many jerseys in photos that looked like they were missing a patch but the sleeve was simply positioned/twisted in a such a way that it hid the patch.

rudy.

If you play with the contrast a bit, it looks like you can see the edge of the patch.

[mattmueller]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

My post with the man hug photo really took this in a different direction than the focus should be. Hopefully it is pretty clear the offered jersey did not see All Star Game action and Hunt amends their description accordingly.

Matt