GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

The photo we have is indeed a photomatch of this shirt with MJ wearing it on the court during a game."

I'm guessing a GFC 'photomatch' differs slightly from a MeiGray 'photomatch'.

[aeneas01]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

1) playing in a home state t'ain't neutral.
2) t'wouldn't be a field day for me as it'd make sense.
3) if you want to gauge it on distance, then peoria is still closer to chicago than it is to indianapolis by a good 40-50 miles! if you do it by home state, chicago wears home shirts. if you do it by distance, chicago still wears home shirts. under what bizarro logic does chicago play indianapolis in peoria and the pacers are the ones who show up in home shirts?

1) sure it is, given certain circumstances - if the super bowl was held in chicago (soldier field) and the bears represented the nfc, it would still be considered a neutral site for both teams. and, go figure, it works the other way around as well at times - the saints called new jersey and san antonio home in 2005 due to katrina and, get this, they wore their home shirts during those games!
2) sure it would, fess up now...
3) perhaps the game was originally slated to be played in indiana somewhere, the schedules printed, but plans changed - so the pacers remained the home team. who knows. doesn't strike me as one of the more bizarre events to transpire in sports history....

as far as the gfc style shirt not being worn during the regular season is concerned, i think the jury is still pretty much out on that - seems to me it very well could have been worn during the regular season, certainly a "possibility" imo. and given everything that's been presented in this thread, i think there's a very real possibility that this could be the first nba shirt jordan ever sported. further, if jordan wore this particular shirt during his first game as a pro (preseason in peoria) and during the regular season, which does seem to be a possibility afaic, then i think it would have to be considered one of the most valuable/rare jordan gamers to have surfaced. hey, but that's just me.

perhaps auction houses and evaluators should employ some sort of worksheet that details the evaluation work done on each lot, some sort of worksheet that clearly shows how and why the opinion was formed, complete with references to provenance and stylematched photos. seems to me if something like that was in place, collectors could rest assured that what they were purchasing was indeed as described. wait a minute....

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[sportscentury]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I'm guessing a GFC 'photomatch' differs slightly from a MeiGray 'photomatch'.

A MeiGray photomatch differs markedly from a lot of people's understandings of a photomatch. For starters, just check out the numerous "photomatch" threads on GUU. Tough to keep up with all of stylematch-at-best posts.

[kingjammy24]

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warren: "Isn't a 10% or 15% or whatever amount commission worth some research?"

their buyer's premium is 20%. i couldn't find anything about a seller's premium on their website but in this lawsuit, it says the seller's premium is 10%:

www.websupp.org/data/EDNY/2:06-cv-05157-13-EDNY.pdf

i'd think 30% warrants some research.

"The photo we have is indeed a photomatch"

indeed!

"perhaps auction houses and evaluators should employ some sort of worksheet that details the evaluation work done on each lot"

no need. i once visited our friends in the hamptons and asked if i could meet with nick coppola and watch him action. they asked me if i'd ever seen the wizard of oz, which i thought was an odd question. upon escorting me to the back room, they pulled back a curtain and i finally came face to face with the great coppola:



i told them i thought using a fortune teller arcade game was a little dated and inaccurate. no problem, they reassured me, they had a brand new, high tech authenticating solution in the works. fully automated and computerized with a 100% accuracy rate. i couldn't believe it so i asked to see their new fangled contraption:



rudy.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

jersey sold for $66,000. 20% buyers/10% sellers = $19,800 cut for GFC.

rudy.

[aeneas01]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

only one lot fetched more, the chamberlain jersey...

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[thejordanman]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I just stumbled upon this discussion a few days ago...
even though it's been over a year since anyone has posted a comment,
I thought I'd put something of interest on here.

Sometime during the 1990's I had a gentleman approach me at a show, offering to sell me some negatives of a few Chicago Bulls from 1984.
Don't recall if he worked for the press, freelance, or the Bulls photographer.
The negatives were never printed or published.

I had prints made, and found that over two rolls were from the Chicago Bulls first regular season game played on 10/26/1984 - at home against the Washington Bullets. This guy really focused on Jordan, as most of the photos featured him. There was a partial roll that pictured the Bulls in their 2nd regular season game played on 10/27/1984 - played in Milwaukee against the Bucks.
Anyway, there were a couple close-ups of Michael, showing the back of his jersey. It appears there was a name change.
I can't tell if it matches the one sold by Grey Flannel, as it's hard to make out any change of the numbers, but name is obvious.
I'll let you guys be the judge.
My apologies for the quality, would look better if scanned.

[CollectGU]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

WOW! This is huge, it appears to be a "W" underneath confirming the jersey! You should notify Grey Flannel I'm sure you could sell the originals to the owner with a notarized letter explaing whwre you got it for a pretty penny ( got to be worth at least$1,000 to the owner of the jersey). Have the mods take that photo down asap!
Best,
Dave

[Sonny25]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

There's video footage of Jordan's very first NBA game out there.
The entire 2nd half has been replayed numerous times on channels like NBATv, ESPN Classic, etc.

Still a cool photo, would love to see more from that game.

[thejordanman]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

WOW! This is huge, it appears to be a "W" underneath confirming the jersey! You should notify Grey Flannel I'm sure you could sell the originals to the owner with a notarized letter explaing whwre you got it for a pretty penny ( got to be worth at least$1,000 to the owner of the jersey). Have the mods take that photo down asap!
Best,
Dave

Dave,
The thought has certainly crossed my mind.
If they paid over $60,000 for the jersey, what's a $1000 for proof?
I've looked at some photos of the Grey Flannel jersey, and not sure if
these are the same. Can't imagine the Bulls would have recycled more
than one, but you never know.
I actually have better photos, some zoomed in straight on his back.
I'll have to pull those out and do a real comparison.
It's almost as if the photographer noticed the name change, and was taking close-up photos to show someone!

[CollectGU]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I don't believe that there is video that conclusively shows the name change on back like this photo. This photo can potentially be used be used for a true photo match and the video likely isn't clear enough to provide that

dave

[CollectGU]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Dave,
The thought has certainly crossed my mind.
If they paid over $60,000 for the jersey, what's a $1000 for proof?
I've looked at some photos of the Grey Flannel jersey, and not sure if
these are the same. Can't imagine the Bulls would have recycled more
than one, but you never know.
I actually have better photos, some zoomed in straight on his back.
I'll have to pull those out and do a real comparison.
It's almost as if the photographer noticed the name change, and was taking close-up photos to show someone!

The more I think about it, $1,000 is low. If your photos provide a photo match the jersey's value may jump to $100,000 in my opinion

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I'm guessing people are already making their own prints from that scan.

Great pic though.

[bronx_burner]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I would think that the rest of the roll of film, assuming theres some other decent shots would cement this being the same jersey as the GF jersey. I'm already convinced by that one shot. The number change under the 2 seems to match. And the thing that sticks out the most to me is the name change "leftover" at the top left corner of the O in Jordan. If I was the owner of the jersey I'd certainly look to get my hands on your photos. Either way, very cool to see some detective work supporting something as real rather than the other way around which seems to happen far too often.