MLB authentication # question

[suicide_squeeze]

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That's a good way to look at it. Everyone knows it's a gamble sometimes in this Hobby. And sometimes you can win BIG ! It's just a matter of how much you want to bet !

Dude,

With all due respect.......what the hell are you talking about?

It's not a "gamble" sometimes in this hobby unless you haven't got the cerebral ability to do your homework and alieviate any and all concerns you may have before shelling out your hard earned money for something.

This hobby is riddled with fraud, scam artists, forgeries......it's out of control.

We are here to help eachother. Sometimes you can win big by buying an item that turns out to be more than what you expected.....Like Kyle hess buying a game used Atlanta Braves home jersey that, after closer inspection, turns out to be a photo-matched unquestionable "cycle" jersey. Yeah, that's hitting a home run, so to speak, in the collecting world.

But to blindly buy an item, a home run ball in this case, because of the seller's claims that it is something special, with holograms that should prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, only to find out it's not real......well my friend that's not a gamble.

That's stupidity.

And the support team (forum members) are here to give advice to those asking for it so those types of mistakes can be avoided.

[tjm5711]

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Dude,

With all due respect.......what the hell are you talking about?

It's not a "gamble" sometimes in this hobby unless you haven't got the cerebral ability to do your homework and alieviate any and all concerns you may have before shelling out your hard earned money for something.

This hobby is riddled with fraud, scam artists, forgeries......it's out of control.

We are here to help eachother. Sometimes you can win big by buying an item that turns out to be more than what you expected.....Like Kyle hess buying a game used Atlanta Braves home jersey that, after closer inspection, turns out to be a photo-matched unquestionable "cycle" jersey. Yeah, that's hitting a home run, so to speak, in the collecting world.

But to blindly buy an item, a home run ball in this case, because of the seller's claims that it is something special, with holograms that should prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, only to find out it's not real......well my friend that's not a gamble.

That's stupidity.

And the support team (forum members) are here to give advice to those asking for it so those types of mistakes can be avoided.

What the hell are you talking about ? Unless the player hands you the item off his back you are always taking a risk that an item is real. How can you otherwise say there's no risk. Sure there is a smaller risk buying from more credible sources than others. But, where do you get off blasting me for stating that? You are the one mired in stupidity my friend !

[STLHAMMER32]

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Without being able to authenticate the ball as 100% authentic it isn't something I would want to purchase for my collection, even at $5. I prefer to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that all items I buy are legit.

But thank you for your advice.

Concerning this particular item if you know the signature is authentic and on a Major League baseball the ball has some value so its not an all or nothing type situation. It's not a question of if the item is authentic but whether or not it indeed has the "extra" value of being a HR baseball. If there is no proof the buyer does not know for sure and may be willing to accept a very reasonable amount for the ball....

[STLHAMMER32]

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Dude,

With all due respect.......what the hell are you talking about?

It's not a "gamble" sometimes in this hobby unless you haven't got the cerebral ability to do your homework and alieviate any and all concerns you may have before shelling out your hard earned money for something.

This hobby is riddled with fraud, scam artists, forgeries......it's out of control.

We are here to help eachother. Sometimes you can win big by buying an item that turns out to be more than what you expected.....Like Kyle hess buying a game used Atlanta Braves home jersey that, after closer inspection, turns out to be a photo-matched unquestionable "cycle" jersey. Yeah, that's hitting a home run, so to speak, in the collecting world.

But to blindly buy an item, a home run ball in this case, because of the seller's claims that it is something special, with holograms that should prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, only to find out it's not real......well my friend that's not a gamble.

That's stupidity.

And the support team (forum members) are here to give advice to those asking for it so those types of mistakes can be avoided.

When you gamble you do not know what the eventual outcome will be. Some people would say betting against the pats is not a gamble but stupididity.....it all depends on the person.

It's not that this is just a ball with nothing on it with no proof at all...I would lean on that being more of a dumb purchase just relying on someone's word that just a plain baseball was a "hr". This ball has two holograms and is inscribed by the player. I would say the chances these stickers were stolen and placed on a ball is much less than the chance it was outdated for a prefix and not available to be looked up.

Unless you see the player use an item and walk directly to you and hand an item there is always a small chance it is not legit. Even when players think it is a certain item it can turn out not to be. There are items in every one's collection that we must rely on our own judgements to consider them authentic. Almost everything in life is a gamble to some extent...

[NYCrulesU]

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Concerning this particular item if you know the signature is authentic and on a Major League baseball the ball has some value so its not an all or nothing type situation. It's not a question of if the item is authentic but whether or not it indeed has the "extra" value of being a HR baseball. If there is no proof the buyer does not know for sure and may be willing to accept a very reasonable amount for the ball....

It's all about "preference". I prefer that my Palmeiro signed ball be just that, his signature on a OMLB. Those can be picked up for $50-$70 all day. I prefer not to purchase a ball that is signed/inscribed as being a specific hr ball that I have ZERO chance of proving it to be real or not. I'm very particular. I will pass on 100 items just to get to the one that I'm satisfied with.

I would be embarrassed to have any item in my collection that I was't 100% confident in. Can every item be proven? No. But I would never buy something knowing from the start that there were questions surrounding it's authenticity.

[STLHAMMER32]

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It's all about "preference". I prefer that my Palmeiro signed ball be just that, his signature on a OMLB. Those can be picked up for $50-$70 all day. I prefer not to purchase a ball that is signed/inscribed as being a specific hr ball that I have ZERO chance of proving it to be real or not. I'm very particular. I will pass on 100 items just to get to the one that I'm satisfied with.

I would be embarrassed to have any item in my collection that I was't 100% confident in. Can every item be proven? No. But I would never buy something knowing from the start that there were questions surrounding it's authenticity.

My point is that even if this ball was looked up and documented to be the "HR ball" you are relying on other people to have correctly collected the ball and not made any mistakes while documenting this. The only way you could for sure no is to catch the baseball yourself.

[NYCrulesU]

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When you gamble you do not know what the eventual outcome will be. Some people would say betting against the pats is not a gamble but stupididity.....it all depends on the person.

It's not that this is just a ball with nothing on it with no proof at all...I would lean on that being more of a dumb purchase just relying on someone's word that just a plain baseball was a "hr". This ball has two holograms and is inscribed by the player. I would say the chances these stickers were stolen and placed on a ball is much less than the chance it was outdated for a prefix and not available to be looked up.

Unless you see the player use an item and walk directly to you and hand an item there is always a small chance it is not legit. Even when players think it is a certain item it can turn out not to be. There are items in every one's collection that we must rely on our own judgements to consider them authentic. Almost everything in life is a gamble to some extent...

I first saw the item and was intrigued. I asked questions, received answers and decided I was not confident in the items authenticity. I've moved on. I'm not sure why this thread or my decision are being picked apart by anyone.

[tjm5711]

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When you gamble you do not know what the eventual outcome will be. Some people would say betting against the pats is not a gamble but stupididity.....it all depends on the person.

It's not that this is just a ball with nothing on it with no proof at all...I would lean on that being more of a dumb purchase just relying on someone's word that just a plain baseball was a "hr". This ball has two holograms and is inscribed by the player. I would say the chances these stickers were stolen and placed on a ball is much less than the chance it was outdated for a prefix and not available to be looked up.

Unless you see the player use an item and walk directly to you and hand an item there is always a small chance it is not legit. Even when players think it is a certain item it can turn out not to be. There are items in every one's collection that we must rely on our own judgements to consider them authentic. Almost everything in life is a gamble to some extent...

AMEN ! That's exactly what I was trying to say ! There is a great deal of trust built on reputation in this hobby. And there is always room for error,deception,and negligence by a seller. Unless you stood on the sideline and had players had you everything in your collection, you took a risk somewhere.

[STLHAMMER32]

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I first saw the item and was intrigued. I asked questions, received answers and decided I was not confident in the items authenticity. I've moved on. I'm not sure why this thread or my decision are being picked apart by anyone.

It's being discussed because you made a public thread to discuss the item....I gave you my opinon which I planned to leave at that....especially if this was your first reply...but when you replied to say you wouldn't pay $5 for it, I questioned what the debate over authenticity was because I thought it in fact was a legitimate auto.....my point was why not offer him the price of a regular baseball and see what you can find out. Maybe it would turn out to be a real bargain or maybe it would just be what it is an authentic autograph baseball with the chance of being more...if he rejects the low offer so be it.....

sounds like you made up your mind already so no need to go any farther but you did not say initially "I won't buy it"....you sought out others opinions.

[NYCrulesU]

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Thanks for all the replies. I've received my answer.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: MLB authentication # question

What the hell are you talking about ? Unless the player hands you the item off his back you are always taking a risk that an item is real. How can you otherwise say there's no risk. Sure there is a smaller risk buying from more credible sources than others. But, where do you get off blasting me for stating that? You are the one mired in stupidity my friend !

tmj5711,

You appear to be of the thought that my "That's stupidity" comment was placed in reference to you? Not at all.

It was in reference to anyone who has the tools to do their proper homework, as NYCrulesU has and has done so in a responsible manner to himself as a collector, but fails to utilize the opportunity.

But I will say that just because you make the reference that "unless the player hands you the items off his back" that you can't be sure without some kind of a gamble that it's real.....I mean, do we really need to go down this road?

Ever heard of "photo matching"?

Understand the concept of MLB authentication, and what is involved? If the item ever leaves the sight of the authenticator, it doesn't receive a sticker. You want to site one time in maybe 30,000 that a mistake was made? Please.

If a guy like NYCrulesU is doing his due diligence in figuring out the authenticity of this ball or lack of it, and the level of comfort he has with it based on what has come to be.....then he certainly doesn't need to hear a rediculous comment about how everything's a risk.

You're new on this site, and you have entered with your guns a blazing. Take a little bit of friendly advice from someone who knows.....It might be a prudent thing for you to take a step back and be a little less proactive in your posts and just absorb some of what the forum has to offer for awhile. Post when you have something constructive to add. Think twice on all other occasions. It'll save you some grief.....trust me.



NYCrulesU.....I think you're correct in letting it slide. If you have a chance to buy a ball claiming to be a home run ball, with a MLB authentication sticker that is not listed in their database......I mean, what exactly do you have there? An unverifyable piece of heresay?

Nothing.....in my opinion, except someone elses garbage they are trying to get rid of. But that's just me.

[tjm5711]

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tmj5711,

You appear to be of the thought that my "That's stupidity" comment was placed in reference to you? Not at all.

It was in reference to anyone who has the tools to do their proper homework, as NYCrulesU has and has done so in a responsible manner to himself as a collector, but fails to utilize the opportunity.

But I will say that just because you make the reference that "unless the player hands you the items off his back" that you can't be sure without some kind of a gamble that it's real.....I mean, do we really need to go down this road?

Ever heard of "photo matching"?

Understand the concept of MLB authentication, and what is involved? If the item ever leaves the sight of the authenticator, it doesn't receive a sticker. You want to site one time in maybe 30,000 that a mistake was made? Please.

If a guy like NYCrulesU is doing his due diligence in figuring out the authenticity of this ball or lack of it, and the level of comfort he has with it based on what has come to be.....then he certainly doesn't need to hear a rediculous comment about how everything's a risk.

You're new on this site, and you have entered with your guns a blazing. Take a little bit of friendly advice from someone who knows.....It might be a prudent thing for you to take a step back and be a little less proactive in your posts and just absorb some of what the forum has to offer for awhile. Post when you have something constructive to add. Think twice on all other occasions. It'll save you some grief.....trust me.



NYCrulesU.....I think you're correct in letting it slide. If you have a chance to buy a ball claiming to be a home run ball, with a MLB authentication sticker that is not listed in their database......I mean, what exactly do you have there? An unverifyable piece of heresay?

Nothing.....in my opinion, except someone elses garbage they are trying to get rid of. But that's just me.

Why don't you save yourself some grief and quit proclaiming yourself an "Expert." Just because I'm new to this site doesn't mean I'm going to take that garbage from you ! This thread was going along just fine until you took your,"What the Hell are you talking about" swipe at me. You followed me to this thread after I showed how irrational you were in the Grace All-Star Jersey thread. And when other members agreed with me, I guess that was too much for you and your ego to handle. So do us all a favor and save your advice on how one should conduct themselves. You need to check yourself before you start advising others !!!!!!!!!

[tjm5711]

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Re: Photo matching comment by "SuicideSqueeze."


Of course I know what Photo matching is. (And we are referring to internet purchases? Right?) But you really can't do true Photo matching until you have the item in your hands. And in some(and not just a few) cases you can't do ANY matching until this occurs.(This mainly dependent on the quality of the photos).

So, unless the seller is nice enough to send you the item free of charge and wait until you photo match it,(And I have never heard of that in my life) you take some risk in making the purchase. If you do find a dealer that does this let me know. I'd love to have him send me some jerseys, photo match them, and then decide if i want to pay for them !

So the bottom line is photo matching doesn't eliminate the risk of an items authenticity in many occasions. And I know this from my own experiences. Just because I'm new to this thread,doesn't mean I don't know these things !

[STLHAMMER32]

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tmj5711,

You appear to be of the thought that my "That's stupidity" comment was placed in reference to you? Not at all.

It was in reference to anyone who has the tools to do their proper homework, as NYCrulesU has and has done so in a responsible manner to himself as a collector, but fails to utilize the opportunity.

But I will say that just because you make the reference that "unless the player hands you the items off his back" that you can't be sure without some kind of a gamble that it's real.....I mean, do we really need to go down this road?

Ever heard of "photo matching"?

Understand the concept of MLB authentication, and what is involved? If the item ever leaves the sight of the authenticator, it doesn't receive a sticker. You want to site one time in maybe 30,000 that a mistake was made? Please.

If a guy like NYCrulesU is doing his due diligence in figuring out the authenticity of this ball or lack of it, and the level of comfort he has with it based on what has come to be.....then he certainly doesn't need to hear a rediculous comment about how everything's a risk.

You're new on this site, and you have entered with your guns a blazing. Take a little bit of friendly advice from someone who knows.....It might be a prudent thing for you to take a step back and be a little less proactive in your posts and just absorb some of what the forum has to offer for awhile. Post when you have something constructive to add. Think twice on all other occasions. It'll save you some grief.....trust me.



NYCrulesU.....I think you're correct in letting it slide. If you have a chance to buy a ball claiming to be a home run ball, with a MLB authentication sticker that is not listed in their database......I mean, what exactly do you have there? An unverifyable piece of heresay?

Nothing.....in my opinion, except someone elses garbage they are trying to get rid of. But that's just me.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, I know you directed this at tmj but I wanted to ask you about the photomatching reference....if someone is willing and able wouldn't it be possible to also doctor an item to match a particular photo? It would be a tough task but I am sure it can be done, especially depending on the item. Also with Arod and Canseco both I have seen several items that I have been inscribed to be certain items and turn out not legit...hopefully by accident but still makes you a little uneasy about any items even when they come right from a player.

With NYCrulesU passing on the item I don't think anyone could say it is a bad move...but if he could get it for a low price I think that would be worth the "gamble" due to the fact it is an authentic signature at the very least.... especially if by contacting MLB authenticated the sticker could be verified....because it looks like any prefix of MA cannot be searched on the website.

[tjm5711]

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I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, I know you directed this at tmj but I wanted to ask you about the photomatching reference....if someone is willing and able wouldn't it be possible to also doctor an item to match a particular photo? It would be a tough task but I am sure it can be done, especially depending on the item. Also with Arod and Canseco both I have seen several items that I have been inscribed to be certain items and turn out not legit...hopefully by accident but still makes you a little uneasy about any items even when they come right from a player.

With NYCrulesU passing on the item I don't think anyone could say it is a bad move...but if he could get it for a low price I think that would be worth the "gamble" due to the fact it is an authentic signature at the very least.... especially if by contacting MLB authenticated the sticker could be verified....because it looks like any prefix of MA cannot be searched on the website.

That's what I was trying to say about not being able to TRULY photo match an item until you have it. But as far as that ball being authentic after taking a risk and buying it. Well according to Suicide Squeeze that's impossible ! According to him, if you have an authentic item, you obtained it without taking any risk. Or is it you only take a risk one in 30,000 times? I can't remember ! LOL