Vintage Authentics Current Auction

[DoctorLoomis]

Take a look at these two lots:

http://www.vintagesportsauthentics.c...me-Used-Jersey#

http://www.vintagesportsauthentics.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12541&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=25&category=26&seo=Adrian-Peterson-2009-Game-Used-Jersey-GU-9

First, I am NOT saying these jerseys are bad. What I am saying is is there anyone else out there that just does not buy the idea of a Tom Brady gamer hitting the market with absolutely zero provenance? No team letter nor NFL paperwork? I don't see a gamer from one of the top few QBs to ever play the game...playing on a team that does not release their game used equipment to the marketplace...being available with zero documentation being truly authentic. Maybe I am just too skeptical. Also, the Adrian Peterson jersey is supposedly sourced from the Vikes. What Vike? What person? Who? I might be mistaken, but doesn't J.O. have the rights to virtually all Vikes gamers? I can say this with certainty...I have been to J.O.'s office and I have held real deal Peterson shirts...and they are HAMMERED with use. Destroyed. This offered shirt has "surface dings and nice numeral and letter puckering from multiple washings". Dings? Multiple washings? Wow. As I said above I am not saying these jerseys are bad. In my opinion, they are suspect at best and I would not touch them with a 10 foot pole.

[Lokee]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

One is a Mears A5 wich doesn't mean much other is a sweet Lou Lampson

enough said.

[jhunt28]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

Funny you mention these two lots...those immediately jumped off the page to me, and I thought the exact same things! No provenance with Brady, and it was the cleanest AP jersey that I have ever seen. I have also been trying to match the Ed Reed helmet that is up there, and cannot at all. Ed only wore Riddell from '02 through preseason '04...never had a high snap chinstrap (always screw in), they always had a yellow/gold warning decal, and the font size on the front bumper RIDDELL seems too small. They also have a Boomer Esiason jersey which is nothing close to the size/style that he used to wear...I stopped looking at other items after those...

[Mulligans]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

My sentiments exactly on both of those Jerseys. I have an AP and it's amazing what he can do to a jersey with only 20 carries. He defines the word POUNDED.

The Brady speaks for itself. Because of the Pats inventory system, no player is allowed to touch a game jersey without ownerships approval. Once it gets ownership approval, it gets paperwork. Tom is still wearing his favorite Jersey from 2003, so that should give you a good idea how many real gamers are out there. The Pats have no control over how many Pats issued jerseys are prepared by Reebok......and there lies the problem.

[Mulligans]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

Oh yea.....this sounds a bit odd also: "shows moderate game use with surface dings and nice numeral and letter puckering from multiple washings"

There were only a handful of White AP Jerseys worn in the 2009 season ( 9 games in total including pre season) and none of them had any time for multiple washings? I'm pretty sure that you could locate just about every white 2009 Jersey and there is a pretty good chance it hasn't been washed once. I'm sure that most of you guys have seen this video off of JO Sports Website.

http://www.josportsco.com/list_products.asp?NewSearch=True&SubID=7000000&TeamID=6000012&CatID=0

Does it seem lime many of AP Jerseys are being washed and put back on the shelf?

[Mulligans]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

It looks like the link doesn't take you to the AP video, but once you get to JO Sports, click on the AP video in the upper right.

[shoremen44]

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Stay away from the Mauer Jersey as well... it has all the right patches (despite the fact it looks like my 4 year old sewed on the year)

The jersey simply does not match up to any photos of Mauer in 2006

nice fake

[Mulligans]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

My last word for now.....I'm not suggesting that the 2 Football Jerseys are fake.....I am just suggesting "Buyer Beware".

[DoctorLoomis]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

I just found out moments ago from an authority on Vikes gamers...the AP shirt is bad. I knew it was and this phone call confirmed it.

[trsent]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

I just found out moments ago from an authority on Vikes gamers...the AP shirt is bad. I knew it was and this phone call confirmed it.

Is there something you can help identify why the jersey is bad? Lack of use isn't enough. I assume there is an issue with the tagging or something. Please elaborate.

[trsent]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

Stay away from the Mauer Jersey as well... it has all the right patches (despite the fact it looks like my 4 year old sewed on the year)

The jersey simply does not match up to any photos of Mauer in 2006

nice fake

Wow, you looked at all 81 games to decide this jersey doesn't match up?

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

I was looking at the Plum jersey but need some help from forum members. My concerns are;

1) Different era Sand-knit tags - one tag has a gold ribbon on the medal while the other tag has a black ribbon on the medal;
2) are the sleeve numbers the right size;
3) Did the Rams wear NOB on their jerseys in 1968;
4) Were mesh or durene jerseys worn in 1968; and,
5) Back numbers seem a tad low.

http://www.vintagesportsauthentics.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12788&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=25&category=6&seo=Milt-Plum-1968-Game-Used-Rams-Jersey-GU-5.5

Since PLUM only played in four (4) games in 1968, hopefully my search won't be that complicated. Any help would be helpful.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlumMi00.htm

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Vintage Authentics Current Auction

I was looking at the Plum jersey but need some help from forum members. My concerns are;

1) Different era Sand-knit tags - one tag has a gold ribbon on the medal while the other tag has a black ribbon on the medal;
2) are the sleeve numbers the right size;
3) Did the Rams wear NOB on their jerseys in 1968;
4) Were mesh or durene jerseys worn in 1968; and,
5) Back numbers seem a tad low.

http://www.vintagesportsauthentics.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12788&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=25&category=6&seo=Milt-Plum-1968-Game-Used-Rams-Jersey-GU-5.5

Since PLUM only played in four (4) games in 1968, hopefully my search won't be that complicated. Any help would be helpful.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlumMi00.htm

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

I haven't had a whole lot of time to dig around but I did have some time to look at the tags. In checking the Sand-knit tags, isn't the bottom tag (Gold ribbon) dated up and until the late 1960's while the top tag (Black ribbon) dated to the mid 1970's? It that's so, how does a mid 1970's tag appear on a jersey used by Plum in 1968?

Also, Since Plum played in just 4 games in 1968, I found photos from 2 of the games he played in (9/22/ and 12/8) and the Rams wore white jerseys NOT blue jerseys. The search continues and I haven't decided on whether or not I'll bid. Again, any help would be appreciated.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[carct]

Re: Vintage Auction - PJ Hilll

In reviewing the jerseys mentioned above, I visited the website to take a look and noticed that they are again listing a PJ Hill jersey from his UW Badger days. This jersey has been offered in their auctions many times in the past and has received bids, yet it keeps appearing....

To get right to the point, the Badgers have never used a uniform of this style, particularly during PJ Hill's time with the team. I have previously sent emails asking what about this jersey makes them believe it is a UW jersey, and did again, but have received not response. My biggest question is why somebody would go through the effort of trying to pass off a PJ Hill uniform? I am a Badger fan and all, but really?

So to repeat from an earlier post, as is probably very obvious - buyer beware. Sometimes they may offer items that are not actually what they are represented to be.

Not my jersey, but that is the throwback jersey they wore in the home opener against Bowling Green in 2005. They were only worn for one game and then sold to raise money for the Camp Randall renevation. That jersey certainly appears to be legit.

[clinton2828]

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he is correct about the game they worn them aginst bowling gren,

hill was a freshmen that year ; here is the roster from 2005:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/rosters/2005/wisc/

here is the box score from the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=252460275

it does not look like hill got a carry but does not mean he did not get into the game but did not get a touch