Winfield bat on EBay

[worldchamps]

Re: Winfield bat on EBay

The refund was offered when the fact it was not in the factory records was brought up, which was responded with a compelling argument on that it is a REAL bat, which your comments were "no doubt Winfield used this bat". I trusted you, so that was my mistake.

The mike Schultz aspect is a different concern... It is fake, you know it is fake, it is not an issue of not being documented, it is a FAKE bat and you are not going to do anything about it. That is your decision.

Don't even try to act like you offered to do the right thing on this.

I hope whoever bought your other bats ( Thomas and Ripken) are reading these posts.

[GoTigers]

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I honestly don't see Nick as the bad guy here. You came to the same conclusion as him with all the available information and were comfortable for 5 years.

My question to you is why aren't you going after Mike Shultz on this? He is the one responsible for the alleged fraud. You seem to be more interested in holding nick accountable, but he was a victim too. You know where this bat originated go after the source. I think every member would applaud that decision.

[worldchamps]

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Because I bought it from Nick

i think Nick should make it right, then he would need to contact Mike.

Obviously this is not going to happen.

The bat dies with me... That is the solution that the game used universe community would like to see....as well as forum members not screwing each other over.

[worldchamps]

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You know where this bat originated go after the source. I think every member would applaud that decision.

And I didn't know it came from mike Schultz or that it was fake until 2 days ago, when this post was made. I was trying to sell it only to free up room.

At this point let nick make another response if he chooses to and let's all move on.

Hopefully there is a lesson learned here for all... I learned about.

[Hoosier39]

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I honestly don't see Nick as the bad guy here. You came to the same conclusion as him with all the available information and were comfortable for 5 years.

My question to you is why aren't you going after Mike Shultz on this? He is the one responsible for the alleged fraud. You seem to be more interested in holding nick accountable, but he was a victim too. You know where this bat originated go after the source. I think every member would applaud that decision.

I see your point but I disagree. It's not really up to worldchamp to go after the person that doctored the bat to begin with. He didnt buy it from schultz, he bought it from Nick.

Could you imagine all of us that have obtained bad items and totally skipping the person that sold us these items and went after those that did the doctoring? We'd be on a witch hunt forever.
If I bought a new car from Nissan, and after 3 months the transmission goes
out, you better believe I'm going after the person that sold it to me, the dealer, not Nissan, not yet anyways.

[GoTigers]

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Hoosier, I understand, but I think asking for money back after 5 years isn't going to get very far with anyone.. I meant more along the lines of legal recourse with Mike and trying to clean up the hobby. At least something good would come from a bad situation. I hate it for you worldchamps.. Most of us have been there.

[Hoosier39]

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Hoosier, I understand, but I think asking for money back after 5 years isn't going to get very far with anyone.. I meant more along the lines of legal recourse with Mike and trying to clean up the hobby. At least something good would come from a bad situation. I hate it for you worldchamps.. Most of us have been there.

I think its more of the moral aspect behind it. 5 yrs or 15 yrs, at the end of the day, the bat is still bad. Not really his fault he found this out 2 days ago.

If I sold a bat or jersey, knowing whether it was bad or not, and the buyer came back(5 yrs or 15 yrs) and said that its no good, what do you think I should do? Tell him, sorry, and tell him to leave me alone? I'd feel bad about it.

Remember, reputation is everything.

[GoTigers]

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Agreed rep is everything..but I don't think he's morally obligated to buy it back, that's to say if he did offer a refund it would be going above and beyond the norm.

If he didnt offer a refund years down the line after new info was available, i wouldnt think hes a bad or dishonest seller, as he was clear with all available info.

I think as it stands its just a bad situation.

[Jags Fan Dan]

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Five years ago I traded my car in on a new one. The dealer gave me exactly what I asked for on it. A few days later he called me to ask me if a potential buyer could contact me to ask me a few questions about my experience owning the car, I said fine. He then said "We already fixed the power steering pump." I said "What do you mean?" He explained that they found it was leaking and had to have it replaced. I informed him honestly that I had no idea it was leaking or that anything on the car was not functioning correctly when I traded it in. He never asked me to do anything about it. I never told them not to inspect anything, as far as I knew the car was great. Should I have offered up money to cover the repair? I think it is more "buyer beware" to me. I would feel bad if I had knowingly mislead somebody. The fact that the pump was bad could have been discovered if they had looked the car over prior to accepting it. I feel this vaguely applies to this situation.

[Phil316]

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The only issue I have is according to Bill, Nick made it quite clear it was game used. He even stated it was the same length and weight to Bill. He told Bill he has "no doubt" it was used by Winfield. Nick was so convinced it was used by DW that he should stand by his item. Personally after reading this I now know where Nick stands morally when it comes to ripping off potential buyers and not standing by his product or word.

Bill,
I am not sure why this bat is not in records, my thinking is that the bat was ordered early in the1990 season, possibly spring training and the bat
might not have made the record book. It is the same
egth and weight as other Winfield gamers of this era along with the gwynn finish which he commonly ordered at that time. The bat also displays strong
Winfield characteristics with the heavy pine tar onthe lower handle, ball marks on the left side of the barrel and the worn in #31 on the knob. I purchased this bat from a bat boy who claimedthe bat was given directly to him from Winfield in the early '90s. Let me know if you still want me to ship out thebat today, I can tell you it's a great looking bat that I have no doubt was used by Winfield.

Nick

[GoTigers]

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There is always doubt unless its photomatched.. We should all know that by now.. No matter who you buy from, or what name is on the LOA. Phi313, nick stood by his word and offered a refund which the buyer declined early on. I don't know how you can say he ripped someone off.. Clearly he never had that intention.

[Jags Fan Dan]

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To say Nick ripped somebody off implies he knew the bat was bad when he sold it, which doesn't seem to be the case. That is big to me in evaluating this. It's a bad situation, for sure. I'm just not as sure that the solution is as black and white as we would like.

[Phil316]

Re: Winfield bat on EBay

Nick says it was shorter than a DW gamer but when messaging Bill said it was the same length and weight as DW uses. To me that says something.

[earlywynnfan]

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I definitely don't feel it's black or white. I do disagree with those saying "Well, he offered a refund and was turned down." To me, this isn't applicable. The buyer was offered a refund along with the seller's claim that the bat was 100% legit. Now that it's come to light that the bat is 100% NOT legit, the offer of a refund is nowhere to be found. So to me, the refund offer is not part of the equation. Or, perhaps I can word it better like this: when the refund was on the table, and the buyer had all the facts we have now, would he have taken the refund? The buyer turned down the refund based on the facts he was given/knew at the time, which is the bat didn't meet factory records. If the buyer came on here now wanting a refund because of that, I'd say go blow.

I'm not trying to hammer the seller here, nor do I have ANY belief that he ever intended to defraud, just like this is very obviously not a case of buyer's remorse; those words shouldn't be part of this discussion. What I was asking is: does the forum think that the seller should stand behind the item for forever (or at least 5 years) or should he just wash his hands of it?

[earlywynnfan]

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There is always doubt unless its photomatched.. We should all know that by now.. No matter who you buy from, or what name is on the LOA. Phi313, nick stood by his word and offered a refund which the buyer declined early on. I don't know how you can say he ripped someone off.. Clearly he never had that intention.

Just curious, and I am NOT asking this as some sort of attack: Supposed we do a deal, I buy something from you. How long do you stand behind it? Your posts seem to show that you feel 5 years is too long to ask a refund. (And please, I'm not arguing with you!) How long is too long? And again, I'm not saying I changed my mind, I'm saying new evidence has come to light PROVING what you sold me was bad. A month? A year? At what point does the inner conscience fade away?

Ken