New User - Steiner Complication

[yanks12025]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

This doesn't deal with the baseball but just steiner. But steiner screwed me over. Last weekend I ordered a yankee stadium wall listed on their site for a discount price because of the holidays sale. When I bought it was listed as in stock and after I finished my purchase it changed to out of stock because they probably had only one. So acouple days later I get tracking for another item I bought but not the wall. So I asked about my wall order. And they now say it was out of order when I bought it. They said they sent a email informing me it was actually out of order when I purchased it but I never received anything from them till I asked.

Maybe they should fix their site, it's not right I buy something that's says in stock and it changes after my purchase then tell me They don't actually have the item. They did offer another wall section but it was 9 feet long compared to the one I wanted was only 4 feet.

[ShaimOnYou]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

jlababie88,

I for one would be very interested to hear what's going on with your Derek Jeter signed world series ball and Steiner's offer to reach out and help. If willing, would you share a quick update on what they're doing for you?

Thanks,

Chris

[ShaimOnYou]

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That sums it all up in a nutshell. Plus, consider this.... Jeter has a beautiful, unique signature. But what about the new generation of players who sign illegible scribble as their autograph? If you pay ANY amount of money for that kind of signature, you'd better have decent proof that it's the real thing when it comes time to move it.

+1

[commando]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

But as collectors, we are all temporary gatekeepers of the collectibles we own. One day, either we or our family will sell these little pieces, so it behooves us to have the best authentication we can to accompany them, right?

That sums it all up in a nutshell. Plus, consider this.... Jeter has a beautiful, unique signature. But what about the new generation of players who sign illegible scribble as their autograph? If you pay ANY amount of money for that kind of signature, you'd better have decent proof that it's the real thing when it comes time to move it.

[ShaimOnYou]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

I don't think it's as big of a deal you make it out to be. The baseball is real and the autograph is real. So what if the stupid hologram ain't on the ball. People have to learn to buy the AUTO not the HOLOGRAM.

And also with the person who said someone probably for Jeter to sign it in person and then just stuck the card with it is probably what happened.

I agree that the ball is real and the signature most likely is to.

All I'm saying is, who wants a collection full of "probably's"?

So you too agree there's a strong possibility that the dude that consigned this ball just simply "threw in" a Steiner Derek Jeter signature COA card with the ball, probably to maximize the take? No biggie if their both real, right?

Let's just move right past the misrepresentation aspect of it, and step right into the tarnishing of Steiner's reputation because of the selfish act. If that is what happened, Steiner is now answering to someone who ended up with a ball supposedly signed under Steiner supervision as to why there was a break-down in Steiner's company policy to affix a hologram to every send-in item, when in fact Steiner may have never handled this ball or Derek's signature placed on it at all.

I don't know if that's also not as big of a deal to you as I'm making it out to be, but if nothing else, it's unfair to Steiner.

I will add this: If Steiner doesn't affix hologram's to every send-in item when they are offering athlete signatures, then they are dealing with a mess here they caused. And therefore, one could argue, they deserve. And coming up with a generic "Autograph verification card" is just plain stupid unless it has a number matching one on a hologram affixed to the item.

Bottom line is pretty simple. As collectors, don't accept these forms of authentication. Demand better. As yanks12025 stated, this may not be as big a deal to any of us as the ball and signature are likely real. But as collectors, we are all temporary gatekeepers of the collectibles we own. One day, either we or our family will sell these little pieces, so it behooves us to have the best authentication we can to accompany them, right?

Chris

[yanks12025]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

stonedylan,

How do you know that? What bit of evidence are you drawing that conclusion from?

Maybe the prudent thing to do here would be for Ken Goldin to go back to the consignor that placed this ball in Ken's companies auction and ask him what he knows about the ball?

Something about this lack of hologram just stinks. It's not my ball or my problem, but I'm very uncomfortable about the whole thing for jlabadie88's sake. I think he got something far less than he bargained for. And obviously he feels the same, hence this thread.

I don't think it's as big of a deal you make it out to be. The baseball is real and the autograph is real. So what if the stupid hologram ain't on the ball. People have to learn to buy the AUTO not the HOLOGRAM.

And also with the person who said someone probably for Jeter to sign it in person and then just stuck the card with it is probably what happened.

[stonedylan]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

Did someone at Steiner contact you regarding having a hologram placed on the ball?

[ShaimOnYou]

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This ball was not a send in item. This ball was sourced by Steiner.

stonedylan,

How do you know that? What bit of evidence are you drawing that conclusion from?

Maybe the prudent thing to do here would be for Ken Goldin to go back to the consignor that placed this ball in Ken's companies auction and ask him what he knows about the ball?

Something about this lack of hologram just stinks. It's not my ball or my problem, but I'm very uncomfortable about the whole thing for jlabadie88's sake. I think he got something far less than he bargained for. And obviously he feels the same, hence this thread.

[stonedylan]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

This ball was not a send in item. This ball was sourced by Steiner.

[ShaimOnYou]

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Either way its a nice item but from whats in the description I feel they should have had ARod sign it......just my opinion.

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[jojac]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

Either way its a nice item but from whats in the description I feel they should have had ARod sign it......just my opinion.

[ShaimOnYou]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

I did speak again with Steiner and they were very quick and eager to rectify the situation. And yes, it was a new person who originally gave me that information. I do find it commendable that they jumped in.

Regarding what [B]marino13[B] is saying about Jeter signing the ball as opposed to Lee or Rodriguez, I did consider that when deciding what I would be interested in. I felt in this particular case, as it represents Jeter's final championship, it was more appropriate. If it had been a home run ball by another player, or maybe even a hit, I wouldn't have been interested. But I figured something as trivial as a foul ball wouldn't devalue it or make it less significant. Similar perhaps to having Ripken sign an '83 WS ball (granted, that was his only WS).

Also, given the other options at the time in this price range, there were 2014 Opening Day balls, All-Star baseballs, and baseballs in regular-season games that were H's for Jeter. My personal preference in this case was the WS ball, as I wanted more significance than a regular-season game in this instance, even if it were Jeter specific. I do intend to keep my collection.

I totally agree with your reasoning on going through with having Jeter sign the W.S. ball. Being a foul ball which was ultimately hologramed by MLB created the perfect opportunity to have a 2009 World Series ball signed by Jeter. Makes total sense. Would it have been better to have a foul ball by Jeter? Sure, but if there aren't any, this is the next best thing. It is 100% tied to Jeter's last World Series championship by use, so it's all good.

In regards to the Steiner help, what are they going to do? Ask you to send the ball in so they can add a hologram to it?

Since it's after the fact, they're now acting as a third party authenticator. Who's to say that ball was signed in front of them?? They can't. There's no hologram affixed to the ball. They're simply accepting the fact, as Goldin did in selling it as such, and you did as buying it, that Jeter did in fact sign it in front of a Steiner rep because of the card accompanying it.

If they (Steiner) really want to make it right, have them obtain a signed letter from Jeter, who they deal with, stating that he signed the ball, with his wet-ink signature on it. Then, I'd say you got yourself a keeper.

Good luck.

Chris

[ShaimOnYou]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

Now that we got to the bottom of this situation - I am glad everything will be work out in the end.

Will it? I don't see that we've gotten to the end of anything.

If what the Steiner associate BCowan says is true, that every send-in item for signature is to receive a hologram, then what happened with jlabadie88's ball that he bought...that doesn't have one...that was put out there as being signed in front of Steiner Sports?

The ball could have been signed by Jeter (or someone else ) and just had the Steiner autograph card thrown in to give that added UMPTH to get a higher hammer total in the auction.

Void of that hologram, the ball is a PHAT question mark, except for it's use in game one of the 2009 World Series. And this is why "generic" autograph cards or COA's issued with an item should be shunned by collectors altogether. To avoid these unacceptable circumstances.

What I'm picking up from this comment by BCowan is, if it's true that Steiner does affix a hologram to ever item sent in for signature, then at least their company policy is sound.

Implementing it? Sounds like that's still a work in progress.

[jlabadie88]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

I did speak again with Steiner and they were very quick and eager to rectify the situation. And yes, it was a new person who originally gave me that information. I do find it commendable that they jumped in.

Regarding what [B]marino13[B] is saying about Jeter signing the ball as opposed to Lee or Rodriguez, I did consider that when deciding what I would be interested in. I felt in this particular case, as it represents Jeter's final championship, it was more appropriate. If it had been a home run ball by another player, or maybe even a hit, I wouldn't have been interested. But I figured something as trivial as a foul ball wouldn't devalue it or make it less significant. Similar perhaps to having Ripken sign an '83 WS ball (granted, that was his only WS).

Also, given the other options at the time in this price range, there were 2014 Opening Day balls, All-Star baseballs, and baseballs in regular-season games that were H's for Jeter. My personal preference in this case was the WS ball, as I wanted more significance than a regular-season game in this instance, even if it were Jeter specific. I do intend to keep my collection.

[marino13]

Re: New User - Steiner Complication

1. I would have personally requested for a "specific" cert instead of generic. With all the money I am spending for Jeter's autograph along with the pricey item - I better get what I am paying for.


2. Whoever the rep replied with the info -- that was JUST plain wrong and incorrect. I would doubt it that it is someone experienced. Must be one of the newbies. Either way, it is time to re-train them.



Now that we got to the bottom of this situation - I am glad everything will be work out in the end.



As for trying (yes I did say trying) to resell this signed gamer --- it will take someone who doesnt care to investigate further.


Why do I say this? Simple. Why would anyone wants Jeter to sign something that has nothing to do with him. Maybe I am wrong here, but who would pay premium for a "Mets gamer signed by Jeter"?


I guess it is a newbie's mistake or just doesnt care or just someone who did it on impulse --- the only two persons who should have signed the baseball would be Cliff Lee or Alex Rodriguez. But then again, with both mentioned players are not so much in good term with "collectible value" --- the ball might have worth more if it was unsigned instead.


Either way, I am hoping that you will keep this in your collection and pass it down to your family.