Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

[RobSteinmetz]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Everyone,

This jersey measures up with other size 50 Majestic jerseys in my inventory, and as such, I felt comfortable with the size being accurate. The MLB hologram and the signature/inscription also increased my confidence in the jersey. However, Chris just contacted me and informed me that the jersey does have missing stitches above the size 50 flag tag. Truth be told, this was nothing more than an oversight on my part. Given this new information, I've asked Chris to ship the jersey back to me for reexamination. In light of my error, I'd like to have the opportunity to look at the tagging more closely.

Chris asked me to mention that he is temporarily pulling the jersey from the auction - pending my second inspection. After I have looked at the jersey again, I will post in this thread. No one likes to make a mistake, and this is proof positive that no one is infallible. With that said, I'm happy to make my mistakes in a format such as this - where perceptive and informed collectors continue to protect one another, sharing valuable information in an open and transparent venue. Just as I have shared information publicly and privately with hundreds of collectors from this site, I continue to learn from each of you. Your input is appreciated.

Best,

Rob Steinmetz

[allstarsplus]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Everyone,

This jersey measures up with other size 50 Majestic jerseys in my inventory, and as such, I felt comfortable with the size being accurate.

However, Chris just contacted me and informed me that the jersey does have missing stitches above the size 50 flag tag.

Best,

Rob Steinmetz

Rob - Bottom line ----Way to go! We all miss stuff and at the end of the day you may still have the same conclusion that it is game used, but there are certainly some question marks with regards to the jersey.

I think you meant "measured" up as you just didn't recheck the sizing so I wonder when you get this back from Chris that when you recheck the size if it is closer to a 48 then a 50 so when you get it back please check against both sizes. That missing stitching is bizarre. What is holding that size 50 flag tag in place?

Can Chris also take a picture of the MLB hologram before he ships it back to you?

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Andrew,

I'm personally a bit busy with a number of things going on right now. I'm hoping it's okay for Rob to take the images you requested when he gets the jerseys back. It's already prepared to go out and it would be some work for me to do the images now.

[allstarsplus]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Chris & Rob - I commend you for your swift action on removing this jersey until Rob can re-evaluate.

Some may take this as a weakness as to how can this happen, but I take this that the system works! All of your items are there for the world to see with unedited comments and analysis which then becomes part of the history of the item.

I commented on 3 items that I have some knowledge about and after some good analysis have bid on the other 2 items (so nobody bid against me lol)!!!

Again, great job!

[ndevlin]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Rudy, what is your email? I will personally give you a sincere "thank you" for saving everyones time and money, free of charge.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Rudy, what is your email? I will personally give you a sincere "thank you" for saving everyones time and money, free of charge.

don't thank me, thank andrew lang! he was the one who first saw the missing stitches. i just posted the pics

rudy.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

don't thank me, thank andrew lang! he was the one who first saw the missing stitches. i just posted the pics

rudy.

Actually, I think everyone who participated on this thread deserves a thank you. It's our goal to make sure every item is properly evaluated and if anything is missed it is identified. I'm glad the system worked in this instance and all the input from participating members is much appreciated. And, as mentioned, the collector benefits in the end.

Thanks again to everyone for their feedback and input.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

I think you meant "measured" up as you just didn't recheck the sizing so I wonder when you get this back from Chris that when you recheck the size if it is closer to a 48 then a 50 so when you get it back please check against both sizes. That missing stitching is bizarre. What is holding that size 50 flag tag in place?

i believe the size flag tag is held in place by being wedged deeply into the manufacturer tag and held in place by the "crease" in the manufacturer tag. a little pulling and it should come out.

anyway, like andrew, i too am curious about the actual true size of the jersey. i think it's obvious that those threads above the size tag didn't wear away from use. only those specific threads were clipped. as rob steinmetz said, 50 isn't a retail size. i'm curious if a size 50 tag was inserted to "help the jerseys case". it would be possible to buy a legit hamilton gamer from MLB and transfer that hologram to a pro-cut from ebay and have the procut match up in the MLB database. you could keep the legit gamer (albeit without MLB hologram), sell the procut at the MLB gamer price and you've essentially gotten the legit hamilton for free. that was the problem with the original steiner yankee releases; anyone could buy a steiner steve balboni game issue and transfer the generic hologram to a don mattingly procut and all of a sudden it appeared that they had a mattingly steiner gamer.

anyway, i'm just really curious how those threads went missing. i'm curious if the jersey actually measures to a 48 or a 52.

rudy.

[allstarsplus]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

don't thank me, thank andrew lang! he was the one who first saw the missing stitches. i just posted the pics

rudy.

Thanks for kind words. Great teamwork!

[chakes89]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

I'm still curious to know where this was purchased from

It seems like my question is being avoided

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

I'm still curious to know where this was purchased from

It seems like my question is being avoided

Hello Chris,

I just wanted to let you know your question is not being avoided. The item was consigned to us so we do not know where the item was purchased. We will be discussing this item with the consignor to see if more information can be attained about the history of the jersey. This is in addition to other research we will be doing to try to find out more information about the item.

Again, just wanted to let you know we do not currently know the answer to your question. It is not being avoided.

[chakes89]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Ok thanks for the clarification

[ndevlin]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Shouldnt it have been researched as to where it was purchased before it was put up for auction. Im just not quite sure Im understanding some of your guys' auctions and their origins/examinations.

[chakes89]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Any updates?

[chakes89]

Re: Josh Hamilton 2007 Home Cincinnati Reds Game Worn, Autographed Jersey (MLB Hologram)

Everyone,

Given this new information, I've asked Chris to ship the jersey back to me for reexamination. In light of my error, I'd like to have the opportunity to look at the tagging more closely.

Chris asked me to mention that he is temporarily pulling the jersey from the auction - pending my second inspection. After I have looked at the jersey again, I will post in this thread.

Have you had a chance to inspect the jersey yet?