Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

[kingjammy24]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

"Is it more glorious for the bull to be the idol of the crowds, or to squander his life eating grass in an enclosed field?"

in a thread filled with more illogical and unsubstantiated comments than a george bush speech, i think this last quote marks a perfect place for it to either come to an end. one of the most unintelligent comments i've heard in years, it's genuinely hard to imagine that it didn't entirely come out of several pitchers worth of sangria. i picture the same spaniard asking whether dogs are more racist than cats or whether seagulls are bigger cheapskates than pelicans.

as if bulls have a concept of "glory" and it entails being stabbed in a stadium. as if the idea of being idolized is running through their mind. as if bulls roaming enclosed fields are thinking "geezus i'm really squandering my life here. i need to get some priorities". nathan, we're all going to die one day. rather than squandering your life in some office all day long, why not go and get beaten to a pulp in a final blaze of glory?

here's what glorious: being enough of a sentient human being to realize that forcing an animal, whether it's a pet or food source or neither, to endure huge amounts of unnecessary pain and suffering is not something to be defended.

anyway, like a bull with numerous swords stuck in me, put me out of my misery and end this thread. it's gone way off topic, thanks in no small part to the bizarre and non-sequitur introduction of everything from OJ to abortion.

thanks in advance for your sympathy. i promise to never again bring up anything other than game-used items.

rudy.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

Chickens = food
Dogs = pets not used for food in roughly 80% of the world
Chickens that are pets = still food

I had a nice discussion a few years ago with a Spaniard and the topic of bullfighting came up. His question, which is a legitimate one, is "The bull will be turned into food regardless. Is it more glorious for the bull to be the idol of the crowds, or to squander his life eating grass in an enclosed field?"

I think the Bull's life is squandered by killing him slowly in front of a bunch of drunkened sociopaths. The Bull is the idol of the crowd, only if he kills the matador. People all over the world crave blood and trainwrecks.

[Nathan]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

Chickens = food
Dogs = pets not used for food in roughly 80% of the world
Chickens that are pets = still food

I had a nice discussion a few years ago with a Spaniard and the topic of bullfighting came up. His question, which is a legitimate one, is "The bull will be turned into food regardless. Is it more glorious for the bull to be the idol of the crowds, or to squander his life eating grass in an enclosed field?"

[metsbats]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

I just realized something. Michael Vick killed the dogs but Pedro and Juan Marichal just watched chickens killing each other? I don't see the comparision.

While we are on the topic of animals in sports, perhaps we should consider Bull fighting. Torturing the bull into a heat rage before thrusting a well paced sword killing the bull is considerd sport in Spain.

[joelsabi]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

Speaking of which, you all do know the closest biological relative to the lobster, right? It's near identical twin brother?

Anyone??

Yep, the cockroach!


Who's up for a trip to Red Lobster with me?!?

Ken

Thanks Ken. Thats a good one to use for a beer bet.

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

i am not obsessed. i just dont think it is newsworthy. its also not like culture is morally progressive. maybe the dominicans will illegalize boiling live lobster before we do.

Speaking of which, you all do know the closest biological relative to the lobster, right? It's near identical twin brother?

Anyone??

Yep, the cockroach!


Who's up for a trip to Red Lobster with me?!?

Ken

[otismalibu]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

If anyone has a pair of LEATHER Dr. J gamers and would like to cleanse their soul, drop me a line.

[frikativ54]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

hmmm...

First: how does one's particular stance on abortion have anything to do with Game Used Sports Memorabilia?

It isn't directly pertinent. However, the point being made was that we are judging other cultures' practices, when we aren't the archetype of a moral nation ourselves. And many of us who are pro-life are saying that we should look at our own country's faults before we castigate Pedro for the actions of Latin American cultures who have gotten it right about abortion.

Hope this clarifies things.

[bscott]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

hmmm...

First: how does one's particular stance on abortion have anything to do with Game Used Sports Memorabilia?

Second: TO BE CLEAR: COCKFIGHTING IS CURRENTLY LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES. RIGHT NOW. (It is only legal in the State of Louisiana, and a ban on cockfighting will take place there on August 15, 2008.)

http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/aug07/070815n.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockfight

Just saying.


-bscott.

[thome25.com]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

How can anybody be so barbaric? By the way, did anybody see that great middle weight fight the other night? The 2 guys beat the crap out of one another.. Great fight.

[frikativ54]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

These are all good points. They make for an interesting debate. These are all opinions, so everyone is right. I think the animal lovers of this forum (myself included) just spoke with their hearts. I was given a shotgun on my 12th birthday. I went with my dad and grandfather, and shot a squirrel. I've gone duck hunting and dove hunting. But I grew up and realized I had more sense. I didn't keep hunting cause it was part of my culture. I picked up a fishing rod before I picked up a football or baseball bat. I still think fishing is cool. But what angler tortures fish? My family practices the "catch and release" concept of fishing. The information given about Washington and Jefferson is not opinion....it is fact.

Glad you became more wise with age. You shot a squirrel? I have 20,000+ squirrel photos on my kodakgallery website, because I love them that much. In my world, dead squirrels upset me just as much as dead humans. Though, I'm glad you grew out of it with age.

My personal opinion on the matter is that animal cruelty is bad, but we've got to clean up our own country first. Unless the woman is pregnant because of rape or incest, or the woman is in long-term danger, then I think that abortion should be illegal here.

We also should clean up our treatment of downed cows and animals in general in the U.S. We keep them in cages and raise them just to kill them. I'm not suggesting that we all turn vegetarian; I just wish we treated our animals more humanely.

What Pedro Martinez did was wrong, and he should be reprimanded for that. I hope that U.S. animal rights groups get all over this one and exert their influence. But I think that we have a lot more to worry about here than cock-fighting in the Dominican Republic.

That doesn't mean we should do nothing; it just means that it's easy to point fingers at others, without examining the human rights tragedies here in the U.S. But more power to us if animal rights groups can educate the DR on right and wrong.

[joelsabi]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

[quote=both-teams-played-hard;71369] My family practices the "catch and release" concept of fishing. quote]

Studies show that fish who are caught and then returned to the water suffer such severe physiological stress that they often die of shock. Fish often swallow hooks, and anglers try to retrieve the hook by shoving their fingers or pliers down the fish's throat, ripping out not just the hook but some of the fish's throat and guts as well. When fish are handled, the protective coating on their bodies is disturbed. These and other injuries make fish easy targets for predators once they are returned to the water

[metsbats]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

Gentlemen,

Let's put things in perpective.

We live in a country where it's legal for women to have abortions.

OJ Simpson is aquitted of murdering two people but Michael Vick is convicted of killing dogs.

And we are frowning upon chickens fighting?

David

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

I re-read some of my earlier posts and realized I may have come across as an elitest. I DO NOT think American Culture is superior to that of other nations. I'm simply against cruelty to animals. I also think chicken fighters in Oklahoma are sociopaths and psychopaths. This is my opinion. This is a great topic for debate (although off topic for this forum). Is there a difference in stomping chickens to death at a KFC processing plant (behind closed doors); or betting on which rooster kills another (out in the open)?
No hard feelings to those with different opinions!

[zonker]

Re: Pedro Martinez - the new Michael Vick

just my 2 cent's i agree it's not newsworthy. i wonder if the forum member's who are so offended by the culture of the dominican republic and the thought of legalized chicken fighting, realize chicken fighting is legal in oklahoma. which is part of the great o'l usa and it's culture! i know oklahoma isn't the culture meca of the universe or anything! ,but i just don't think people should be casting stones. when as far as i can see are just as guilty. look at all the negative thing's stated out of "ignorance" about another culture, by member's of our own. "makes me proud" do you really think our culture is so much better, that it gives us the right to judge another? personally i would rather pay to see a heavy weight fight or an ultimate fighting match where i can watch men or women go at it legally. hey maybe someone will die! oh how civilized we are?