1994 Bills Throwback Question

[toddhead]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Give it up guys... he'll never admit that he might be wrong... even a little bit.

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

I continue to believe that WOODFERN's jersey is correct other than for the second section of sleeve stripes, and if I see one Bills player from that game wearing both sections of the 3-stripe design, then I will feel comfortable that WOODFERN's jersey has a strong possibility of being a team-issued jersey. Most important to note is the way the stripe pattern seems to closely match on the underside of the sleeves (on the section of stripes closest to the shoulders on the WOODFERN jersey when compared to the above game photo).

Mark, I have multiple 1994 NY Jets game worn throwbacks in my collection - both the white worn for one game and the green worn for two games. I have an extensive Jets photo data base to include many a 1994 throwback pic and I have a 1994 throwback game on DVD so I think I can speak definitively on the 1994 Jets throwbacks. The NY Jets had MULTIPLE completely disimilar sleeve stripe styles for their 94 throwbacks depending on the player and customization. Some sleeve stripes were screened others were not, some were thick and others were not! With the Jets throwbacks, a backup jersey of a particular could easily have varied in sleeve stripe design from the game jersey of the same player. And as it applies to color hue, the 1994 Jets green throwbacks vary slightly as well. If you would like photographic evidence of such feel free to e-mail me Mark and I'll send along some good stuff for you. God Bless America!

Matthew

[G1X]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Marcus,

To say that my point is not valid is puzzling, especially after I gave a brief explanation of the many various reasons why shading can look different in photos. Are you saying that the two 'Skins photos are much the same color? A lot of folks, including myself, would not agree with you on that point.

Look closely at this photo from the Bills 1994 throwback game. It looks very close to the color of WOODFERN's jersey in my humble opinion. The jersey in this picture appears to be a lighter shade than the photos you provided.



We can agree to disagree about color hues all night long. I felt that I gave a very logical explanation of color variations in photos based on my experiences in the world of photography, plus I provided a valid photo example from my jersey collection. I think that I have further validated my point with the above photo from the 1994 throwback game. To even further substantiate my point, observe the below example of a Bills game-worn jersey of Jake Arians that is in my collection. Quite amazing how it appears to be an entirely different shade of blue based on the lighting used to photograph the jersey. I won't continue to belabor the point as I am confident that most readers understand this concept and realize that colors can be somewhat deceiving in photographs

I continue to believe that WOODFERN's jersey is correct other than for the second section of sleeve stripes, and if I see one Bills player from that game wearing both sections of the 3-stripe design, then I will feel comfortable that WOODFERN's jersey has a strong possibility of being a team-issued jersey. Most important to note is the way the stripe pattern seems to closely match on the underside of the sleeves (on the section of stripes closest to the shoulders on the WOODFERN jersey when compared to the above game photo).

But my question still has not been answered at this point. I want to know for educational purposes if any Bills player can be seen with the identical sleeve stripe design that is seen on WOODFERN's jersey. That is why I am requesting additional photos of the game so that I can see as many players as possible.

Any input from other Bills collectors or collectors with knowledge of this particular "throwback" style would be most appreciated.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
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[mchmaj]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

the answer is right there in the pictures....
you can see the guy next to kelly, and he was wearing sideline proline bills jacket. I am sure you can see its ROYAL BLUE ! and the jersey doesnt show any hint of royal blue color. whats more, study kellys game socks and you will see the different colors of blue. G1X, i am sorry your point is not valid...you need to study the this pictures more ...the redskins retro 70th anniv jersey pictures is FAR DIFFERENT than what i am trying to bring the point about kelly darker jersey VS woodfern royal blue kelly jersey. your two redskins pictures are MUCH THE SAME colors !
YES, i am working on getting more scans of diff players wearing same sleeves pictures....sidenote, he went to the game himself and he explained how much different between darker blue kelly jersey vs woodfern royal blue kelly jersey. i did sent him pictures of woodern kelly jersey and he was hoping i DIDNT buy it ...
thanks
marcus

[G1X]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Marcus,

Maybe it's just me, but I am not seeing any difference in the thickness of the red stripes between WOODFERN's jersey and the game photos. In my humble opinion, the only difference in the jerseys is that WOODFERN's has two sets of the 3-stripe pattern while Kelly and #81 in the game photos only have one set of the 3-stripe pattern on their jerseys. That is the reason I was curious if perhaps some of the Bills had their sleeves tailored, and if any other Bills player can be seen wearing a jersey with both sets of the 3-stripe pattern.

Regarding the concern with the shade of blue, trying to match an exact color shade in various photographs can be deceiving depending on the lighting (day game vs night game, cloudy day vs sunny day, etc.), whether a flash was used, camera settings, method of developing the photos, printing methodology, etc. WOODFERN's photos are at least third generation photos, and the original photos were taken in a room where a flash was most likely used. That is an extremely different lighting setting as compared to a night game under lights bright enough for a color television broadcast.

Having spent many hours in a dark room developing photographs, I can state as fact that shades will not always look exactly the same depending on a variety of the above mentioned factors. Anyone who has taken a photo indoors with a flash understands that colors can be distorted. There are examples seen in newspapers and on the internet every day where the jerseys of a team can appear to be a different shade based on the lighting, angle of the photo, and other variable conditions as previously mentioned. Below is a classic example of two photos of the same jersey where it appears to be a different color shade because of lighting and other factors. This is extremely important to know when researching jerseys.

But enough of that as I don't think that explaining the science of photography is answering my question. Again, please see if your friend has any other photos where we can see the entire Bills sideline. I am curious to know from an educational standpoint if any Bills player can be seen wearing a jersey with both sets of sleeve stripes.

Thanks!

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[mchmaj]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

i forgot to add that my friend told me that the 1994 MNF game the bills worn darker blue jersey as throwback , its darker blue than the jersey that woodfern have.. he has kelly jersey in ROYAL BLUE while the bills worn close to navy blue jersey. you can see the pictures in the game and the pictures of woodfery(his pictures are bad but you can see royal blue color jersey very clear...) now the stripes, the red line is more thicker on woodfern jersey while the red line is more slim on the sleeves in the game photos. so if tailored, it makes no different
thanks again

[mchmaj]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

At this point, I think that everyone can agree that the jersey Kelly wore in the game does not match the sleeve stripes on WOODFERN's jersey. However, everything else looks to be correct on WOODFERN's jersey - number font, name-on-back, tail tagging, etc. With everything else appearing to be correct, perhaps the sleeves on the Kelly jersey (and other Bills players such as #81 in the photo) may have been shortened and tailored below the first group of stripes.

Marcus, since you were able to come up with some photos of Kelly from that game, can you or your friend provide some additional sideline shots or other action photos from the game that show numerous other Bills players. I am curious to see if anyone is wearing the full sleeves that include both sets of stripes (as seen on WOODFERN's jersey).

Thanks!

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

the sleeves are NOT TAILORED ... that is what they worn during MNF against broncos, you still can see if the sleeves have been tailored, it still DOES NOT MATCH THE SLEEVES stripes with woodfern kelly jersey. you also can see the #81 left sleeve are tucked in while right sleeve is open and its regular sleeve as its not tailored....
i can ask for more pictures to give more proofs
thanks

[G1X]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

At this point, I think that everyone can agree that the jersey Kelly wore in the game does not match the sleeve stripes on WOODFERN's jersey. However, everything else looks to be correct on WOODFERN's jersey - number font, name-on-back, tail tagging, etc. With everything else appearing to be correct, perhaps the sleeves on the Kelly jersey (and other Bills players such as #81 in the photo) may have been shortened and tailored below the first group of stripes.

Marcus, since you were able to come up with some photos of Kelly from that game, can you or your friend provide some additional sideline shots or other action photos from the game that show numerous other Bills players. I am curious to see if anyone is wearing the full sleeves that include both sets of stripes (as seen on WOODFERN's jersey).

Thanks!

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[mvandor]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Man, the english language and grammar in general took a real beating in this thread. Wood, why in the world do you capitalize each word, man? T'ain't right and it's hard to read.

[WOODFERN]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Excuse Me. Heard From You.

[WOODFERN]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Marcus, I Knew I Hadn`t Heard The Last Of You On This Jersey. One Step Ahead Of You. After Further Review, It Has Been Determined That The Jersey Is Have Is Certainly Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Game Worn And That It Appears A Mistake Was Made By Grey Flannel And Certainly By Me. Got That Marcus! I Have Come Across A Picture Of A Throwback Card Of Kelly Wearing The Blue Bills Throwback From That Game And Like In The Pictures From Your "new" Friend, It Shows The Same Descrepency With The Sleeve Stripping, Also The Sleeves Appear To Be Shorter. If There`s One Thing I`ve Learned, Is That Anyone Including Myself Who Bids On A Star Player From A Grey Flannel Auction Should Do Their Homework, And To Save Themselves From Being Futher Ridiculed By People Like You. Mistakes Are Made And I`m Sure You`ve Made Some Too. I Certainly Hope This Is The Last Time I Have To Post Anything To Defend Myself From, But, I`m Sure I Haven`t Heared The Last Of You.

[b.heagy]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

the stripes on the sleeves are different.

[mchmaj]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

guess what !? i have taken down my white flag and show you MY PROOF !
i met a new friend that has largest bills game jerseys collection....
he sent me attachment of pictures from 1994 MNF broncos and bills game, the BILLS worn throwback jerseys and i have PROOF that bills didnt wear the style that woodfern is trying to sell, WOODFERN check it out, maybe next time do your homework ?? and yes the jerseys came BLANKS and it was sold orignially from a guy name AL in FLORIDA then it has been handed to different buyers
heres pictures, it was took by my friend personally in the game in 1994 MNF

jetsfan, 3 people called me with my pocket of red aces and the flop is ace, ace, and 3 spade, i have won 4 of the kind my point of this texas holdem , once your GUTS telling u something fishy about the kelly jersey , FOLLOW YOUR GUTS !!!
i forgot to add pictures
here they are.....

[mchmaj]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

Marcus, I personally would like to thank you for by far the most entertaining thread of all time! They say laughter is a great cure for what ills a person and let me tell you...I am feeling pretty healthy by now! All in with my chips with pocket of red aces??? CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guess what !? i have taken down my white flag and show you MY PROOF !
i met a new friend that has largest bills game jerseys collection....
he sent me attachment of pictures from 1994 MNF broncos and bills game, the BILLS worn throwback jerseys and i have PROOF that bills didnt wear the style that woodfern is trying to sell, WOODFERN check it out, maybe next time do your homework ?? and yes the jerseys came BLANKS and it was sold orignially from a guy name AL in FLORIDA then it has been handed to different buyers
heres pictures, it was took by my friend personally in the game in 1994 MNF

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: 1994 Bills Throwback Question

yeah you are right, and this goes no where now. i am giving the white flag now and this will be be my last post about the bills kelly jersey. i am giving up so you guys calls whatever you thinks !
i have called "all in" with my chips with pocket of red aces.......anyone calls ??
cheers
marcus

Marcus, I personally would like to thank you for by far the most entertaining thread of all time! They say laughter is a great cure for what ills a person and let me tell you...I am feeling pretty healthy by now! All in with my chips with pocket of red aces??? CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!