Underpriced / Overpriced Oddities

[Yankwood]

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Yankwood-
Hope it's a joke on the Baines bats. He's actually on my want list... I'll take him or Raines off your hands.

I agree Brett is overpriced. Same on Mattingly...

Where were you when I sold these? There's actually a really nice Baines on Ebay right now. It's signed really well and has a Make Offer type bid.

[emann]

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I agree with everything you said except in your post except for this line with mentioning Posada

He is no Arod, I agree, but I do believe he is clearly above marginal especially in comparison to other players of his position.

You mentioned Pudge as a possible HOF
Well compare Posada to Pudge - Posadas numbers are right behind Pudge.
With some of Posadas numbers are better then Pudge's
Now don't forget Pudge has been doing it for 18 seasons while Posada has been around for 14.
So Posada is on pace to match most of Pudges numbers if not beat them.

Now think about this alot of Pudges numbers were due to roids. So take away some of his numbers because of the roids and where does that put Posadas numbers - way passed Pudge!!

Marginal I think not lol lol

I'll give you the numbers- it is possible that Posada will pass Pudge on some of the numbers. But remember, they are the exact same age and Pudge should have a few more years in him as well. Granted, I think the steroid issue you mention might ruin him as it has the others but for now...

Pudge: 14X All Star, 13X Gold Glove and MVP winner at 37... 2,600+ hits
Posada: 5X All Star, 5X Gold Glove at 37... 1500? hits

I still think Posada means little to anyone who isn't a Yankee fan. He's like Varitek (or even Ortiz), I still think he'd be even less known if he was out of the major market.

I'm also a Sox fan (who is trying to be fair- they'd revoke my Red Sox Nation card for dissing Ortiz), so maybe that's it.

[emann]

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Where were you when I sold these? There's actually a really nice Baines on Ebay right now. It's signed really well and has a Make Offer type bid.

Dunno, I've been posting in the Item Wanted section for months... Looking for nice 80's star bats (Raines, Dawson, Parker, etc). Search for the post and feel free to drop me a note...

[suave1477]

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I'll give you the numbers- it is possible that Posada will pass Pudge on some of the numbers. But remember, they are the exact same age and Pudge should have a few more years in him as well. Granted, I think the steroid issue you mention might ruin him as it has the others but for now...

Pudge: 14X All Star, 13X Gold Glove and MVP winner at 37... 2,600+ hits
Posada: 5X All Star, 5X Gold Glove at 37... 1500? hits

I still think Posada means little to anyone who isn't a Yankee fan. He's like Varitek (or even Ortiz), I still think he'd be even less known if he was out of the major market.

I'm also a Sox fan (who is trying to be fair- they'd revoke my Red Sox Nation card for dissing Ortiz), so maybe that's it.

Again you still failed to realize Pudge put up a lot of those numbers due to the roids.
Posada did it on his own talent

Pudge should have a few years in him as well??? No one wants him, hge hasn't signed anywhere.

Not to mention 2 of Posadas 14 seasons he barley played. which is basically like putting up 12 seasons against 18

You say no one would know who Posada was, if he was on another team is uuuuuum completely the opposite.
Posada is considered to be one of the most underated players due to being on the team he is on, the whole lineup is consisted of superstars.
Put Posada on any other team and he would be a SuperStar.

I understand your mad because your a Red Sox fan and have had Varitek as a catcher lol lol

But comparing Posada to Damon, Varitek, Cano, Lowell????? Are you serious???

Posada
5 x All Star
2 x Voted top ten MVP
4 x WS Champ
5 x Silver Slugger

Varitek
3 x All Star
1 Silver Slugger
2 x WS Champ

[emann]

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I don't want to derail the thread on this, but you missed my point, read it again... I didn't compare Tek to Posada. Posada is easily better. That Pudge is better than Posada was my point. C'mon, seriously- compare those numbers. 2X top ten for MVP for Posada? What does that get him? Also, I did agree that Pudge is probably going to be ruined w/ the steroid use (let's assume he took them). He'll end up in the same boat as Palmerio, Sosa, etc.

Another to add to overpriced:
Ryan Howard & Chase Utley. I like both of them, but I've seen $800 Howard bats. WAY too high right now compared to other available players.

[xpress34]

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overpriced: japanese ball players. supply and demand. more demand from international collectors who are willing to pay whatever it takes.

I have to agree with that - and not just GU items... cards and autos as well...

I am working a GU and AU card set from Fleer from 2004... the most scarce AUTO (and yet to surface) is a Ted Williams 1/1. Ironically if it surfaced, I could probably obtain it cheaper than the Hideo Nomo AUTO (25 copies) from the same set... I've seen 4 of the Nomo's surface over the years on eBay and everyone of them SOLD to Japanese buyers for OVER $800 each!!!

- Chris

[kingjammy24]

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Of course, this thread requires one to define the terms "underpriced" and "overpriced". By one view, there might not be such a thing as under or over priced.... Is a Rolls Royce overpriced at over $100K just because I might not spend that money for the car, even if I was able to?

quick comment to answer this question: i meant underpriced and overpriced relative to other players of equal stats. eg: (hypothetical) paying $1000 for a brett bat but only $500 for a yount. my entire point was to compare similar players with wildely disparate prices. to keep with your rolls royce example, it has nothing to do with what you might spend or are able to spend. a rolls royce, at a $100k, would be overpriced IF you could buy a similarly equipped bentley at $50k. the two cars would be extremely similar in every aspect, including prestige, except for the price which would make it an oddity. this is my entire point.

rudy.

[xpress34]

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New Rookies on the scene - well technically it is a different era now of collecting and with game used hobby becoming so commercialized. You have ten times the amount now of collectors. So why not raise the price???? There will be someone out there to pay it. Now with the rookies every one is looking for the next phenom player and that there values are going to skyrocket once they become that player.
Items like mantle, Ruth, Ted Williams, Roberto Clemente game used items were taken for granted and being thrown out because no one knew that this would turn into an actual hobby.
Another mans trash is another mans fotune. - So we all learn that years later.

So with the rookies of today everyone is trying to cash in now on that hoping it will be one day there fortune.

Suave -

You hit the Nail on the Head - Look at 'Sid the Kid' Crosby in the NHL... he was so hyped (and he hasn't disappointed), but he and his Dad hatched a GREAT Rookie plan - NEW jersey EVERY game - and he and his Dad kept EVERY Jersey and Every stick and started their own 'memorabilia' business...

A lot of rookies and their agents are cashing in...

- Chris

[Birdbats]

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I think the McGwire thing was covered well by others -- there's still demand because he still has fans from his years in St. Louis... and supply of legit, signed bats is very thin. Lots of pilfered bats with phony use, but not many real gamers with real use.

The flip side of Mac is Ozzie Smith. His bats typically sell for less than $500, and I actually saw a Cooper gamer of his sell for less than $200. You'd think he'd be worth more, but there's more supply than demand. His bats are like Pete Rose autographs -- if a collector ever wanted one, he/she probably has one.

I think the most undervalued bat remains Stan Musial. His gamers sell for a fraction of those used by Williams, DiMaggio and Mantle. If Stan had played in New York, he'd have a borough named after him. OK, maybe not a borough, but you get the idea.

Overvalued? I love him, but I don't get the price of Cal Ripken gamers. They don't seem to be scarce. Brett and Mattingly also are on my list, even though they're two of my favorite players.

[camarokids]

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Posada did it on his own talent

Plus Posada pees on his hands......

[Vintagedeputy]

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Plus Posada pees on his hands......

What? Doesnt everyone?

[Rboitano]

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How about Ryan Zimmerman, hasnt really done anything. He is way overpriced! Hanley Ramirez is undervalued.

[jetersbatboy]

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overpriced: japanese ball players. supply and demand. more demand from international collectors who are willing to pay whatever it takes.

I am one of those that over pay for Japanese baseball items...But its still fun to collect... OVER PRICED: YOUNG PROSPECTS THAT HAVE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO GOOD SEASON'S(Longoria, Fielder, Etc). UNDER PRICED: CURRENT HOF'S (HENDERSON, MURRAY, WINFEILD, BOGGS, ETC

[Fnazxc0114]

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Defintions:

Underpriced - what I own and can't afford to sell

Overpriced - what I want and can't afford to buy

that pretty much sums it up right there.

[earlywynnfan]

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Ya I guess because collectors putting together championship team bats, and O'Neill was on a number of them. jones bats still bring good money. I really think Griffey is underpriced, may be one of the only clean players of the last twenty years.
George Brett bats are also way overpriced. Wade Boggs was better, and his bats dont bring near to what Bretts does.
Bretts career BA .305
Boggs career BA .328

Am I the only one who disagrees with this statement? Boggs was better than Brett?? Go ahead, take that .328 average full of singles slapped to to left. I'll take the 200+ homers, 500+ RBI, and fiery leadership. Boggs was a selfish SOB to play with, Brett just wanted to win.

Ken
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