Game Issued that appear Game Used

[500goals]

Re: Game Issued that appear Game Used

Maybe that will make up for all of the game worn items with no wear that they sell. Raifie

[allstarsplus]

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Maybe that will make up for all of the game worn items with no wear that they sell. Raifie

LOL. This shows no wear except for 2 stains and a definite armpit smell.

[gnishiyama]

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I have to agree with the bottomofthe9th on this one. I'm surprised at AllStarsPlus on this one, that he would risk ruining his good reputation in this business listing the jersey as game-used. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that his intent is to attract bidders to his items so they can carefully read the description and come up with their own conclusion. I feel that itself is wrong since not all buyers are as educated as some of us are with game-used memorabilia and by reading Allstars title and description a somewhat uneducated buyer may easily be lead to believe that it is indeed game-used, with less of a possiblity that its not (why would there be dirt marks and odor if it were not used??).

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility that the jersey was used but more proof
needs to be presented to be allowed to be listed as GAME-USED. Theres no place for that maybe, maybe not game used in this hobby, especially from someone as good as reputation as AllStarsPlus.

Goh Nishiyama

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Offering to end the auction at $1,000 because that was Steiner's retail price does nothing... do whats right and change the title and description and list the jersey as game issued with a possibility of being game used (a very slim and undocumented possibility). Agreeing to sell a game issued jersey that Steiner wholesaled at retail price while still listing it as game used in the title is still not right.

[allstarsplus]

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Goh - I originally listed it that way because I 100% believe it was worn at some point. With that said, I now have changed the auction title to game issued although I feel strange about that. Never have I received a game issued with armpit stink, but like Goh said, reputation is important and I am always fair. I thought the description was fair already.

Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts.

[Vintagedeputy]

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I dont need to see the jersey in person. If Andrew says that the jersey appears to have game use stains and underarm smell, that's good enough for me.

Andrew wouldnt list it as GU if he didnt believe it.

[jppopma]

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I don't see why people are putting Steiner's error onto Andrew? If he keeps the jersey as game issued, he will have to explain the wear on it. What buyer would want to buy a game issued jersey with a story about there being wear on it... So people are suggesting that Andrew eat the fact that he would have a hard time reselling this jersey? Puts him in a bad spot.

On the issue of them recertifying the jersey, I do not see that it would set a president. Andrew is a top notch dealer with a stellar reputation, Steiner should take that into account and be able to see that he is not trying to pull a fast one. I am sure that he has done enough business with them that they are comfortable with his observations and concerns. To any other person, or dealer in lesser standing...they could say yeah right deal with it. Steiner is who issues the LOAs and really can put whatever they feel on them (how many jerseys are listed as game worn with stiff tags and no use...). Now, if Andrew returns the jersey to them for a refund based on the error -- who is to say that the jersey wont' end up back on their site in three days listed as game used with a LOA to boot??

In general, I have seen jerseys from Steiner and even from the teams themselves with a variety of errors. Game issued with team use, the common used with no use, and even time where they are listed as the wrong year (or player based on number). It all goes on and you just have to be able to explain what it is that you have. Good luck with the jersey Andrew.

[allstarsplus]

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maybe someone was eating ice cream or a candy bar while "processing" the jerseys???

as far as the smell, someone could have tried them on who didn't use their right guard that day???

or maybe you got lucky, an extra b-day present??

Not a birthday present as I bought all the remaining inventory of 2008 home jerseys that the wholesale group had for the purpose of reselling.

I am probably going to spray it with Febreeze as someone may be offended getting a jersey they expect to be "new" that has a smell.

On the issue of them recertifying the jersey, I do not see that it would set a president. Andrew is a top notch dealer with a stellar reputation, Steiner should take that into account and be able to see that he is not trying to pull a fast one. I am sure that he has done enough business with them that they are comfortable with his observations and concerns. To any other person, or dealer in lesser standing...they could say yeah right deal with it. Steiner is who issues the LOAs and really can put whatever they feel on them (how many jerseys are listed as game worn with stiff tags and no use...). Now, if Andrew returns the jersey to them for a refund based on the error -- who is to say that the jersey wont' end up back on their site in three days listed as game used with a LOA to boot??

All great points, but I won't even ask Steiner to do that as it left their warehouse as game issued. I have actually returned jerseys they have made mistakes on and have an Ivan Rodriguez without an armband I have to return as it wasn't worn by him.

I dont need to see the jersey in person. If Andrew says that the jersey appears to have game use stains and underarm smell, that's good enough for me.

Andrew wouldnt list it as GU if he didnt believe it.

I think I feel better changing the description back to game issued as it isn't worth the hassle.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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"So people are suggesting that Andrew eat the fact that he would have a hard time reselling this jersey? Puts him in a bad spot."

Yes, your right... So lets give anyone a free pass to mis-represent a jersey so they have no problem selling it to someone who doesn't do all their homework.

I have nothing against AllStarsPlus and commend him for editing his auction.

[gnishiyama]

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Andrew,
In my mind you did the right thing. Its just not worth the potential trouble it may bring. If I had your jersey, I would just return it unless I can positively photomatch which should not be that hard with all the Yankees photos available through Getty, AP, USPress, etc.

As for your comment

Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have.

I'm a bit confused on what that means since you originally listed as game used and you 100% believe so.

As for Vintage

I dont need to see the jersey in person. If Andrew says that the jersey appears to have game use stains and underarm smell, that's good enough for me. Andrew wouldnt list it as GU if he didnt believe it.

That's a lot of blind trust in an item. Andrew already stated he'll sell the jersey for less than $1000. You collect Yankees right? Why don't you buy it? $1000 for a Mo jersey!? THAT'S A STEAL! Everyones happy!!

Now, if Andrew returns the jersey to them for a refund based on the error -- who is to say that the jersey wont' end up back on their site in three days listed as game used with a LOA to boot??

Valid point but what Steiner does later will not be resting on Andrew's reputation or conscience

Regardless I think you did the right thing and its obvious you have been for a long time since you have tons of supporters.
Goh

[camarokids]

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Not a birthday present as I bought all the remaining inventory of 2008 home jerseys that the wholesale group had for the purpose of reselling.

I am probably going to spray it with Febreeze as someone may be offended getting a jersey they expect to be "new" that has a smell.

I was only kidding, I should have put a smilie.

Definitely not a bday present due to the hassle it is giving you.

Try and return it due to the potential headaches...

Good luck....

[jppopma]

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Just curious Bottomofthe9th, What would you do if you were in Andrew's shoes? Say you purchases a game issued jersey from Steiner and it came showing dirt all over and smelling like a$$. Like I said, you as the buyer are placed in a very bad spot by Steiner. Would you sell it like he is and risk taking a loss on it based on the discrepencies? Would you return it to Steiner? Finally, what would you do if Steiner would not take the return since it has left their control (they show game issued...)? Like I said, I'm just curious your take on it, not baiting or bashing or anything. Thanks.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Again, I have nothing against Andrew... but this comment is troubling:

"Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have."

This is exactly what you were stating it was originally in the auction.

[allstarsplus]

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Again, I have nothing against Andrew... but this comment is troubling:

"Someone is going to get a nice jersey and I am afraid someone may lose the LOA and this will become a game used jersey like so many have."

This is exactly what you were stating it was originally in the auction.

You seem to now be attacking me and I don't appreciate it. I know the jersey was used, but I was being fair and posting the pic of the LOA that clearly stated GAME ISSUED and mentioned all the facts in the description.

You are now trying to bait me into something and I won't allow you to as I changed the title before any bids were made.

I put this thread up here for opinions and Goh made some great points. You have all my contact information so call me if you want to discuss this further.

[bottomofthe9thonline]

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Just curious Bottomofthe9th, What would you do if you were in Andrew's shoes? Say you purchases a game issued jersey from Steiner and it came showing dirt all over and smelling like a$$. Like I said, you as the buyer are placed in a very bad spot by Steiner. Would you sell it like he is and risk taking a loss on it based on the discrepencies? Would you return it to Steiner? Finally, what would you do if Steiner would not take the return since it has left their control (they show game issued...)? Like I said, I'm just curious your take on it, not baiting or bashing or anything. Thanks.

Absolutely... The very first thing I would have done was try and photo match the jersey, not rush to put it on eBay. Like others have stated this can be done somewhat easily as you have the numbering and logos as well as patches to aid in helping to photo match the jersey. Honestly, I would hope like hell I was able to find a photo match because then yes it would have been a gift in disguise that would make any collector happy. If the jersey is photo matched, you can throw out the Steiner cert and use the photo match as your authenticity, what better proof can you have. But if I failed to match the jersey, the only evidence I can rely on now is that the jersey has a stain and smells... there are a million factors that could explain this... only one of them being it was worn by Mariano in a game.

Now I am in the situation Andrew is currently in. What would I do you ask? I would do exactly what he has done after revising the auction. Sell the jersey as GAME ISSUED with the possibly of maybe being game used, all while being clear to point out that a photo match was not found and their is currently no supporting evidence I could offer to back the jersey as game used other then the smell and dirt.