Steiner admits there are many "fake" Steiner products

[mbenga28]

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are the Jeter and A-Rod game used jerseys you're trying to photomatched MLB Authenticated?

There was the Andy Pettitte 2009 home jersey that I was really interested in picking up, but I could not find any photo matches that aligned the pinstripes to the NY logo and 2009 Inaugural patch and when I asked a Steiner rep if he could help me by letting me know the MLB Authenticated number so I could check on the database, he simply said the jersey is MLB Authenticated and wouldn't budge revealing the serial number on the hologram. was there something to hide?

[ferro39]

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Fair point, but this discussion has covered both signed items and game used items offered by Steiner. It seems that their main problem deals with people using their holograms in a dishonest way.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems their main problem stems from their holograms and serial numbers not being entered into their database. However, when you become one of the big boys (as mentioned in my earlier thread) you become the target of counterfeiters...it is now up to Steiner to work to combat against this. Their continued success probably hinges on how they respond to this adversity.

that's the thing, though. they have never dealt with the adversity.

they have been keeping horrible records of their nyy game used items for as long as they have been handling them--everything from incorrect and vague letters to a slew of unidentifiable merchandise, which collectors are forced to do their own research on.

then there's their customer service, which is horrendous. the comical thing is that i actually no longer buy products directly from steiner because dealing with their customer service reps after they screw up an order (which, in my experiences, has been close to automatic) isnt worth the heart burn.

then, there stuff going on like this with no plan to counter attack.

meigray, on the other hand, addresses the problems when they pop up; alerts collectors about fake jerseys; is happy to field phone calls from collectors looking at jerseys both on ebay or for sale by collectors; and iirc, has even been proactive in getting bogus jerseys with bogus meigray tags pulled off of ebay.

if steiner was doing something, err anything, to help protect the people who keep them in business, we probably wouldnt be seeing the so-called pile-on here.

i mean, how out of touch are they with the same tino martinez GI BP jersey for sale for 2k for the past 9 years?

[nickacs]

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Were the Jeter and ARod jerseys directly from Steiner or were these on the secondary market (meaning somebody may have tampered with holograms). This is troubling no matter how you slice it, but it would be helpful to clarify the origins of the purchase.

I have the Jeter in my possession and have been offered the ARod. At this time, I cannot comment on the origins and outcome quite yet as I am still reviewing and will be hopefully talking to a Steiner employee tomorrow.

If the outcome is that either/both are not legit, I will be more than happy to post everything from start to finish There are a couple GUU members that have helped me out tremendously so far and would appreciate their confidentiality as well in my situation. I've learned to do your research first and then post/comment later than making premature statements.

As the saying goes, "innocent until proven guilty"!

[gingi79]

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I am so happy they don't handle my teams. I sincerely hope Yankee collectors band together and refuse to deal with these people.

If Brandon Steiner was even 1 1/100th the business man, or could even spell the word ethics the same way say.....Barry Meisel does, NONE OF THESE ISSUES WOULD EXIST.

I realize I am only a college educated teacher and obviously not a businessman but if MeiGray can have exactly ZERO of the authenticity issues of Steiner, why can't they just steal the tagging deal and TADA! no more questioning.

How can you offer authenticity guarantees and not have a database of what the holograms line up with? Who came up that this plan? The 100 feces throwing monkeys who couldn't write MacBeth?

[mbrieve]

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I'm starting to lose my trust in Steiner, and I will no longer buy anything with a Steiner hologram UNLESS it's photomatched (all my Steiner stuff is photomatched so I don't have to worry about it).

A few days ago I helped a forum member declare that his Jeter home jersey that was supposed to be direct from Steiner isn't real. It had the matching holograms and the LOA, so nothing appeared wrong, until I attempted to photomatch the jersey to the timeframe it was worn (which was a 2-month period). I checked photos and video from every game and couldn't find it. He was also looking at an Alex Rodriguez game worn jersey and I did the same research on that jersey and couldn't find a match for it either! I checked every single game....no match could be made. There's just too many fakes that Steiner is selling. They're becoming the new Lou Lampson with their authentication.


And in regards to Steiner selling game issued jerseys; I believe they should mark the jersey with ANYTHING that can't be tampered with. I remember I once saw a Nolan Ryan jersey that was a Scoreboard jersey from 1989, and Nolan signed the jersey with the inscription "this is not my jersey". Probably the best inscription I've ever seen. Game issued jerseys need to be tagged in a special way to identify them easier. Would it really hurt them to write "GI" somewhere on the inner part of the jersey?

Were the Jeter and ARod jerseys directly from Steiner or were these on the secondary market (meaning somebody may have tampered with holograms). This is troubling no matter how you slice it, but it would be helpful to clarify the origins of the purchase.

[kylehess10]

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I'm starting to lose my trust in Steiner, and I will no longer buy anything with a Steiner hologram UNLESS it's photomatched (all my Steiner stuff is photomatched so I don't have to worry about it).

A few days ago I helped a forum member declare that his Jeter home jersey that was supposed to be direct from Steiner isn't real. It had the matching holograms and the LOA, so nothing appeared wrong, until I attempted to photomatch the jersey to the timeframe it was worn (which was a 2-month period). I checked photos and video from every game and couldn't find it. He was also looking at an Alex Rodriguez game worn jersey and I did the same research on that jersey and couldn't find a match for it either! I checked every single game....no match could be made. There's just too many fakes that Steiner is selling. They're becoming the new Lou Lampson with their authentication.


And in regards to Steiner selling game issued jerseys; I believe they should mark the jersey with ANYTHING that can't be tampered with. I remember I once saw a Nolan Ryan jersey that was a Scoreboard jersey from 1989, and Nolan signed the jersey with the inscription "this is not my jersey". Probably the best inscription I've ever seen. Game issued jerseys need to be tagged in a special way to identify them easier. Would it really hurt them to write "GI" somewhere on the inner part of the jersey?

[mbrieve]

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Of course not. This is a GAME USED forum. If you were to receive the same email from MeiGray or JO Sports (companies that sell game used items), then of course there would be the same "outrage."

Fair point, but this discussion has covered both signed items and game used items offered by Steiner. It seems that their main problem deals with people using their holograms in a dishonest way.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems their main problem stems from their holograms and serial numbers not being entered into their database. However, when you become one of the big boys (as mentioned in my earlier thread) you become the target of counterfeiters...it is now up to Steiner to work to combat against this. Their continued success probably hinges on how they respond to this adversity.

[sportscentury]

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Let me first start off by saying that Steiner may have their problems, but if I were to say that I received the same e-mail from Mitchell & Ness, would their be the same outrage? Counterfeiting is a problem that any large company with a "good" name has to deal with (just ask Rolex, Louis Vitton, Coach, Burberry, etc.). Each of those companies have had to deal with knockoffs/counterfeits, and all of them would be justified in saying to only buy directly from them and their authorized dealers to be 100% confident that they are getting an authentic item.

As for the fake Obama/Jordan signed baseball...that to me was the equivalent of browsing the Rolex watches in battery park. Both signatures were clearly forgeries and I am pretty sure that Steiner does not act as a third party authenticator--meaning unless they secured a private signing with Obama, they would not place their hologram on it to authenticate it.

Just adding to the conversation...I think both sides have good points (i.e. Updating holograph serial numbers on their website). Again, just my .02

Of course not. This is a GAME USED forum. If you were to receive the same email from MeiGray or JO Sports (companies that sell game used items), then of course there would be the same "outrage."

[mbrieve]

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Ok here is the portion of the email relevant to this post:

"We are aware of all the counterfeit Steiner items out there…that’s why we always recommend steering clear of eBay and purchasing directly from us. Sometimes, it might be worth a little extra money for the peace of mind that comes with knowing your product is 100% real!"

Let me first start off by saying that Steiner may have their problems, but if I were to say that I received the same e-mail from Mitchell & Ness, would their be the same outrage? Counterfeiting is a problem that any large company with a "good" name has to deal with (just ask Rolex, Louis Vitton, Coach, Burberry, etc.). Each of those companies have had to deal with knockoffs/counterfeits, and all of them would be justified in saying to only buy directly from them and their authorized dealers to be 100% confident that they are getting an authentic item.

As for the fake Obama/Jordan signed baseball...that to me was the equivalent of browsing the Rolex watches in battery park. Both signatures were clearly forgeries and I am pretty sure that Steiner does not act as a third party authenticator--meaning unless they secured a private signing with Obama, they would not place their hologram on it to authenticate it.

Just adding to the conversation...I think both sides have good points (i.e. Updating holograph serial numbers on their website). Again, just my .02

[legaleagle92481]

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here is the thread about the fake gi jerseys. http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=33860

[mbenga28]

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Yeah I thought he said he just took the hologram off and put it on the COA. So nothing is fake about that Jeter game issued jersey posted?

I read that also, but why the hell would you do something like that? if you lose the LOA and the jersey has nothing on its tagging to prove its authenticity it becomes worthless then.

[indyred]

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mbenga,

the jersey you posted is another members jersey who got it directly from steiner and it has an loa.

Yeah I thought he said he just took the hologram off and put it on the COA. So nothing is fake about that Jeter game issued jersey posted?

[sportscentury]

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I am not outing the writer or giving any clues as to his or her id. I don't want anyone to get in trouble at work over it it is not the writer's fault as he/she does not set the policy at Steiner and that person was very helpful.

Actually, his/her honesty is rather refreshing.

[legaleagle92481]

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did a female write that, gosh I hope that's not who I think it is.

I am not outing the writer or giving any clues as to his or her id. I don't want anyone to get in trouble at work over it it is not the writer's fault as he/she does not set the policy at Steiner and that person was very helpful.

[sportscentury]

Re: Steiner admits there are many "fake" Steiner products

Ok here is the portion of the email relevant to this post:

"We are aware of all the counterfeit Steiner items out there…that’s why we always recommend steering clear of eBay and purchasing directly from us. Sometimes, it might be worth a little extra money for the peace of mind that comes with knowing your product is 100% real!"

Well, there you have it. I don't believe LegalEagle has acted at all irresponsibly. Even the Steiner representative said he applauded LegalEagle's post.