Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

[schubert1970]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

I wanted to let everyone know that I built a simple web site www.pr4192.com

I developed this web site to help keep a history of Pete's PR4192's. If you have one (corked or uncorked), I'd like to hear from you so we can add your information to this web site. I think this will be a great information tool for anyone looking to purchase a PR4192 or someone just looking for more information about these.

txs

Bill

[tacprc]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

... There is no #14 on top of the PR4192 so I could have told you the x-ray would have been negative. ...

There is no #14 on the barrel end of the Zane Burns bat or the bat that sold in the Nov-08 Leland's auction.

[schubert1970]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

I saw Pete in Vegas today. Here is what happened.

http://www.pr4192.com/Page3.html

[Mark17]

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Besides the Beckett photo that clearly puts this bat in Pete's hands during a game, here's the obvious problem with Pete's "Steve Wolter corked the bat" theory.

Did Steve even know there was cork in it? Did he sell the bat at a premium because there was cork in it? I believe the answers to these questions are "No."

So, if he wasn't benefitting from drilling into a very valuable bat and tampering/damaging it, why would he do so? My understanding is that Steve is a Pete Rose fan anyways..... Pete's little theory (excuse) is ridiculous, and from the look on his face when he's saying it, I think he knows it isn't believable.

You've done outstanding work on this story, and since it involves the breaking of one of baseball's most sacred records, it is definitely worth the effort to uncover the facts. I don't believe the cork helped Pete get hits, but it was cheating nevertheless.

Thanks!!

[schubert1970]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

Besides the Beckett photo that clearly puts this bat in Pete's hands during a game, here's the obvious problem with Pete's "Steve Wolter corked the bat" theory.

Did Steve even know there was cork in it? Did he sell the bat at a premium because there was cork in it? I believe the answers to these questions are "No."

So, if he wasn't benefitting from drilling into a very valuable bat and tampering/damaging it, why would he do so? My understanding is that Steve is a Pete Rose fan anyways..... Pete's little theory (excuse) is ridiculous, and from the look on his face when he's saying it, I think he knows it isn't believable.

You've done outstanding work on this story, and since it involves the breaking of one of baseball's most sacred records, it is definitely worth the effort to uncover the facts. I don't believe the cork helped Pete get hits, but it was cheating nevertheless.

Thanks!!

Thanks for the kind comments. I was tempted to push the issue with him, but didn't think it would help, especially knowing the denial they are all in. Felling sorry for me because Steve ripped me off. What was odd was Rose wasn't angry at the person for the x-raying the bat, but mad at Steve for not defending him. Some of the people who work at that store are really really odd. It's a bit bizzare situation in that store.

By the way I bought his book and a baseball for my son a took a ton of other pics. He seemed to like the Tour of Japan jersey. I think he hates to here how much money his stuff sold for, seems to drive him nuts.

Also, the guy who runs the shop gave Pete a $100 bill and said this is from the next customer in line. Pete then said "This is the last time I'm doing this". I had no idea what they were talking about. All I could think of was there is Pete not paying taxes again (just kidding).

[33bird]

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Ha. I've had Pete sign different gamers of mine-bats and jerseys and he denies they are his and he never sold his gamers and where did you get it? It gets old. When he signed one of my game used jerseys he called some guy and described the jersey and where I got it (Dave Grob) because he was sure it wasn't his ever. When he got off the phone he says: I guess you got a good one. Whatever Pete.

[tacprc]

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Several months ago I had the chance to talk to Pete for 5-10 minutes, and one of the things he said is that he was surprised by the number of his game used bats that have been presented to him for signature at shows, etc. -- because he rarely broke bats and didn't use a ton of different ones each year.

[tacprc]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

Besides the Beckett photo that clearly puts this bat in Pete's hands during a game, here's the obvious problem with Pete's "Steve Wolter corked the bat" theory.

Did Steve even know there was cork in it? Did he sell the bat at a premium because there was cork in it? I believe the answers to these questions are "No."

So, if he wasn't benefitting from drilling into a very valuable bat and tampering/damaging it, why would he do so?

I tend to agree with you. On the other hand, if Pete never (knowingly) used a corked bat, then it would make sense for him to blame the people who owned the bats after they left his hands.

[tacprc]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

There is no #14 on the barrel end of the Zane Burns bat or the bat that sold in the Nov-08 Leland's auction.

There is also no #14 on the barrel end of the "first" Pete Rose corked bat -- the one that sold for $103K as Lot 1038 in the Dec 2005 Lelands auction.

This bat later re-appeared as lot 82081 in Heritage Auction 716. Bidding for this lot ended on 2-Oct-09. The sales price [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']including Buyer’s Premium was $8365.[/FONT]

[33bird]

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When Rose signed a game used Adirondack of mine once, he said the same thing: he rarely cracked a bat. But, that doesn't mean he didn't give a ton away or sell some during his long career. He told me during his 44 game hit streak he used the same bat the whole time. But, I think Pete has forgotten a lot over time too. He didn't remember when he used Adirondack bats and he said he rarely used bats over 33 ounces, which isn't right according to the bats I have and his ordering records (I'm talking 1970s). So you kindof have to take what Pete says with a grain of salt.

[tacprc]

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I agree that you can not totally rely on what Pete says about his game used items.

[tacprc]

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Last Sunday morning (7/18/10) I was a guest on Hour 2 of Ken Broo's Sports Talk show on WLW radio.

http://www.700wlw.com/cc-common/podc...st=KenBroo.xml

[Fnazxc0114]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

in the last weeks issue of SI there was a pic of rose using a bat that had the same strange tape job on it.

[schubert1970]

Re: Photo matched PR4192 Rose bat with surprise!!!!

in the last weeks issue of SI there was a pic of rose using a bat that had the same strange tape job on it.

Can you tell me what issue or send a copy if the pic. Jus looked at issue from Aug 2-9 and didn't see anything.

[rj_lucas]

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Can you tell me what issue or send a copy if the pic. Jus looked at issue from Aug 2-9 and didn't see anything.

August 16th cover date, College Football Preview issue, page 111.

You can also go to si.com/vault and do a search on 'rose cobb' to turn up some stuff, like this cover:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/8970/index.htm

Rick
rickjlucas@gmail.com