Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

[BULBUS]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

The screw IS NOT white. both are silver/metal. that is lighting that has brightened the screw making it look white.

Seriously, the lighting??? On both the tweet image and the outdoor getty image??? Look at them both again.

[josportsco]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

Dan, How is your agenda going now?

Everything everyone has posted here is exactly what I asked and expressed of you prior to you posting. Please send me pictures of your CJ helmet showing undisputable photomatching evidence to every game CJ wore your helmet, along with the game action photos. –your response “why would I want to help you.” “why would I want to give you leverage with the Bengals.” I responded and told you I don’t need leverage with the Bengals, my exclusive contract with the team is leverage. I just wanted to see your helmet and IF it is photomatched to every game you claim it is, so I could express my concerns with the team.

At that point I got the feeling there was a agenda on your end. Well, come to find out there was. I asked you if you have animosity of our company because we have a deal with the Bengals? Your response “yes there is some animosity. Because you have cornered the market for Bengals equipment and I cannot afford to buy at your prices. And I cannot get stuff as easy from my source” and you went on to say that I have never done anything to become your “friend”. So I asked you what we have that you wanted, your response “I want a Carson Palmer game worn jersey” you then stated “I can’t afford it at your prices” so I asked you to make a fair offer for the jersey - your response floored me “I will give you $350 for the Carson Palmer jersey” - enough said, I do not have to elaborate.

Listen, I asked for your help to PROVE your helmet to be the ONLY helmet worn, but you declined because you have “animosity” and “you don’t want to give me leverage”. So you said you will let the collecting community make the decision.

Here is the deal, your statement regarding not posting your helmet and “impeccable” source either from player or team tells me that you have something to hide. Is it from the PLAYER or TEAM or BOTH?? Which is it? Let’s see the helmet? You are the one who wanted to bring this to public forum so show us all your evidence. You are the one who has made accusations toward our helmet.

So let me make this statement until you prove me wrong: You better hope that the purchase of your Chad Ochocinco helmet was a “LEGAL” purchase!! Because by making this public and accusing me I am now forced to go the Bengals and find out WHY the team sold a piece of merchandise that is in our contract to a collector like yourself. There is only 1 very small loop hole that you could have obtained it from IF you bought it from the team. And if that was the case you would have no problem sharing your “IRONCLAD” provenance. I will take this subject up with the team on Monday to see if they can help me with my provenance and make them aware of your claims. I have no reason to hide anything so I will tell you this matter will be in the hands of (starting at the bottom): Brian Sells Asst. Dir. of Corporate Sales and Marketing, Vince Cicero Dir of Corporate Sales and Marketing, Jim Lippincott Dir of FB Ops, and Paul Brown VP – Player Personnel.

So if you just let us all know what your “IRONCLAD” provenance is and pictures of your helmet then we can make sure that your helmet “integrity” and “value” is maintained as you stated to me is your purpose.

[josportsco]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

The screw IS NOT white. both are silver/metal. that is lighting that has brightened the screw making it look white.

By the date of the tweet and the picture below from getty, that helmet matches one he was using in camp. Notice the screw on the right is white and the one on the left is silver.

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dplettn,
does this match your helmet?

[BU54CB]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

I have posted 8 Steve Young, 2 Jerry Rice, 2 Joe Montana and about 60 other game used 49er shirts all of which are probably harder to find and more expensive to obtain than a 2010 game used CJ lid. The excuse of not wanting to post images after calling out a well recognized and respected seller, because of the fear of someone else copying your item is junk. I also collect science fiction books and whenever a seller would not send me images a red flag would go off and the item was invariably a fake. I am in no way stating that the original posters helmet is not 100% authentic but by not posting pictures it just makes the entire post seem strange. Why not just PM the moderator about the issue instead and go from there?

I am also in no way defending JO but they do deserve the benefit of the doubt as they did send you images as you requested but you refuse to do the same. I have had my fair share of issues with JO but they have always done their best to resolve those issues fairly and quickly once brought to their attention. In the business they are in reputation is everything and I doubt they would destroy theirs over a single game used helmet. They are a business in the business of making $$$ but will work with collectors to ensure that they are happy too.

By posting images of your helmet you place the ball in their court and show the entire collecting community what you are talking about. By not you just sound like you are pissed off that he wears more than one helmet in a season.

Always buying 49ers gamers and ANY player with team letter
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

Well said, people post photos all over the place of their items regardless of the dollar value (although one might question the value of some scrub 49ers GU jerseys like Montana, Young, and Rice )

I don't understand the point of questioning the authenticity of an item being sold by any party if you're not going to offer unquestionable proof the item being sold isn't authentic. The whole timeline and posting of emails really doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you emailed JO about the helmet.

dplettn, I can't see how anyone can take your argument or case seriously without presenting proof, which I think will be difficult as it seems Chad Johnson wears multiple helmets during a season. If you feel that you can't show your photos, I don't understand why you bothered to take this issue public.

[BULBUS]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

Here is the helmet the Ocho tweeted:

By the date of the tweet and the picture below from getty, that helmet matches one he was using in camp. Notice the screw on the right is white and the one on the left is silver.



dplettn,
does this match your helmet?

[commando]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

Here is the helmet the Ocho tweeted:

[dplettn]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

another http://twitter.com/ochocinco/status/19790210452

Now, that is one interesting tweeted photo (chad's July 29, 2010 upload). In viewing the 4 helmets Chad photo'd as his, I see one (and only 1) Schutt helmet with the pad scheme displayed in JO's photos.

We all have equal opportunity to view publicly available photos to see when he wore Schutt and when he wore Riddell. I'm curious what others think of the use displayed in JO Sports' photos.

[solarlottry]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

I have posted 8 Steve Young, 2 Jerry Rice, 2 Joe Montana and about 60 other game used 49er shirts all of which are probably harder to find and more expensive to obtain than a 2010 game used CJ lid. The excuse of not wanting to post images after calling out a well recognized and respected seller, because of the fear of someone else copying your item is junk. I also collect science fiction books and whenever a seller would not send me images a red flag would go off and the item was invariably a fake. I am in no way stating that the original posters helmet is not 100% authentic but by not posting pictures it just makes the entire post seem strange. Why not just PM the moderator about the issue instead and go from there?

I am also in no way defending JO but they do deserve the benefit of the doubt as they did send you images as you requested but you refuse to do the same. I have had my fair share of issues with JO but they have always done their best to resolve those issues fairly and quickly once brought to their attention. In the business they are in reputation is everything and I doubt they would destroy theirs over a single game used helmet. They are a business in the business of making $$$ but will work with collectors to ensure that they are happy too.

By posting images of your helmet you place the ball in their court and show the entire collecting community what you are talking about. By not you just sound like you are pissed off that he wears more than one helmet in a season.

Always buying 49ers gamers and ANY player with team letter
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[allstarsplus]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

a link to a pics of chad with four helmets in his locker
http://backseatfan.com/2009/12/chad-...s-his-snuggie/

Multiple helmets is also along the same lines of players who wear 2 jerseys per game as they change at halftime. This was a common practice with many of the Redskins star players which is why a photomatch is your best COA.

[BULBUS]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

dplettn,

do you have any conclusive photo matches on your helmet?

-chris

[otismalibu]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

Quite often the term "photo matched" is used, when it's really nothing more than style matched. I don't know if that's an issue here, but as I wade through I've seen "photo match" mentioned more than once.

[helmets]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

It is quite possibly the fact that Johnson wears multiple helmets each season - that you even were able to obtain your helmet. Had he only wore one helmet in a season as most players, it most certainly would have gone to JO, and you would still be negotiating and looking for high res photos of sweat stains, while someone else - quite familiar with their reputation bought it out from under you. Consider yourself lucky that you were able to get a helmet worn for part of one season - for quite possibly the same price as you would have paid for a true hall of famer's helmet that was worn for multiple seasons.

[Shipp_96]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

I personally find it's ironic that the player wearing these helmets (Chad), has no issues posting them for the WORLD to see, but someone who owns one fears just a handful of people viewing it. Just my two cents .

[nycpropain]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

If you think your helmet is the only one used in a season you are very very wrong. As its been shown already he uses AT the very LEAST 4. If one is damaged beyond repair that number could be more.

[platinum1]

Re: Propositioned to buy a Game Used Helmet (duplicating what I own) by JO Sports

another http://twitter.com/ochocinco/status/19790210452

My 4 helmets I wear during the season, I switch up based on
what cleats n gloves I wear http://twitpic.com/29legd 7:22 PM Jul 28th, 2010 via Twitpic Retweeted by 23 people