I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

[sportscentury]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

David Ortiz is an exclusive on autographs with Steiner. Steiner got from David some game used jerseys too. I don't know the wash tags so maybe Bob M. or Mr. Cowan to research it for us.

Here's the link:

http://www.steinersports.com/ssm/control/product/~pcategory=/~category=/~pid=ORTIJES000006

This could also be the situation of David ordering on his own additional jerseys.

Andrew,

Great idea. Where is Brooks "Jay Z" Cowan when you need him? Perhaps "Bob M." can step in in Jigga's absence (since I'm sure running Def Jam is keeping him very busy).

Reid

[Eric]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Please do not expect to hear from Brooks Cowan for a while. Chris and I are working out his suspension from the site for violating the rules.
I will advise when we have an answer
Eric

[indyred]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

I would love to see MLB and other sports do there game used the way the NHL does for the most part. If Meigray or a company did a similar method that they use on hockey jerseys, special serial # tags on the game used jersey along with hologram coa with that specific tag serial# documented would be great. No 2 serial #'s would be the same. I know it may never happen for all teams, I just wish a few would take more of an interest in protecting there game used stuff from the fakes......I know mlb does have there own authentication system for there auctions items, would be nice to see this really expanded and let a company tag everything that is used in games before it is sold to the public....

[sportscentury]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Please do not expect to hear from Brooks Cowan for a while. Chris and I are working out his suspension from the site for violating the rules.
I will advise when we have an answer
Eric

Eric,

Thanks for your update. And thanks, as always, for your good work. Honestly, I don't have interest in EVER hearing from Brooks Cowan again - It would behoove Steiner to replace him, at least on the forum, with an honest and authentic Steiner representative. This situation certainly did not help Steiner and I think forum members (including myself) would find it refreshing if they responded by being active on the forum in a more positive and regular way. There are clearly many forum members who do business with Steiner and trust their name ... a reputation that can be salvaged by doing the right thing. Do you know if there is an official response from Steiner regarding the Brooks Cowan situation?

Reid

[nesportspromotions]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Quick update...

I need to preface what I'm about to type with: I am not full of crap. I don't tell fish stories.

Now that I got that out of the way...

I know someone that works for the Red Sox. (I'm not saying who.) I asked him to check out Papi's gamers. He literally went into the clubhouse during the game and read me the numbers from jerseys in Ortiz's locker. First of all, Papi has 10 or 11 jerseys in his locker. The homes all have "6200" on the inside tag. The away jerseys all have no inside tag or not a complete tag. There are no numbers on the roads. No "0062" or "6200" at all. They look like they were snipped just under the "Made in USA" part.

So what can I gather from my TRUSTWORTHY friend's phone call?

#1 Papi wears a lot of jerseys.

#2 My 2 jerseys are more than likely legit gamers although they might not have seen all that many games.

Thanks for everyone's input. I'm feeling much better about my purchase now that my buddy verified them for me.

[ironmanfan]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

I'm curious why you didn't contact your Red Sox insider first before even posting to this board?

[nesportspromotions]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

The original person I showed these jerseys to said there was NO WAY they could be right because of those numbers. "6200 is ONLY RETAIL" I knew nothing about the inside tag. I saw the strip tags and thought they were perfect.

My first thought was this forum b/c guys here know their stuff. I really thought I got screwed out of a bunch of money and was in a panic.

Once I saw replies that said some guys have seen some variance in numbering on those inside tags I thought there might be hope. Then I asked my Fenway buddy to see what goes on in Papi's locker.

Now I feel pretty confident they are real.

[hblakewolf]

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I agree-why would you ask for our opinion first, and then discuss this with your "contact" who can just walk directly into the clubhouse and dig around inside of Ortiz's locker?? Why would you not contact him first?

Sounds to me like you are trying to make your questionable jersey legit by now referencing some sort of "insider information" obtained from your "contact".

If you indeed have a Red Sox contact who works for the team and has total access to the clubhouse, why did you make mention in your initial post that "So I showed both jerseys to my buddy and he said the tags on the seams inside of the jerseys have the wrong number."????

If your "contact" can just walk into the clubhouse, I would have to believe he is in some type of position to secure a jersey directly from Ortiz, correct? You did mention that Ortiz's friends sold you the shirts, correct? If that's the case, then one has to believe that Ortiz himself would sell one of his 11 jerseys directly to a team employee, correct? Why would you have gone to the trouble of dealing with Ortiz's friends, when you could have worked a deal directly between your contact and Ortiz, or better yet, have your contact introduce you to Ortiz!

I have a good friend who works for the Mariners. Back in 1991, she was aware that I collected buy/sell game worn equipment, and as such, introduced me to Griffey Jr. and his "posse" who sold me several game worn jerseys, hats, bats, and a glove. I have to believe any person with a friend who has total access to a locker room would ask for such a favor or at least a chance to meet such a superstar and ask to buy a shirt, especially given the fact that you are aware of Ortiz selling his jerseys to the public.

I find your story about your "contact" a bit hard to believe. What I do believe is that you purchased a mint jersey that you have now discovered has retail tagging, and have created this elaborate story to try to make it "legit" in order to resell it.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[kingjammy24]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

why would ortiz (or any player) have home AND road jerseys in their locker during a single game? if it's a home game, why are road jerseys in his locker? if it's a road game, why did the team bring home jerseys? anyone?

i've only seen a couple of lockers in my day and they typically only held bp jerseys and the uniform needed for that series. home jerseys never went on the road. road jerseys werent put into home lockers. i was once told by a batboy that the equipment manager would fill each locker with the jerseys needed for that specific game. why is the redsox equipment manager putting road jerseys in ortiz's locker during home games? i'd love to hear other's experiences.

thanks,

rudy.

[hblakewolf]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Rudy-
Excellent point! I'm not aware of road jerseys being hung up inside of the home locker. The home jersey, pants, sliding pants, hat, batting gloves, bats, etc. are housed inside the locker. I can tell you that the Mariners do not keep the road jerseys in the home lockers, and up until last year, the Phillies did not either (have not seen this years lockers).

Rudy, excellent post.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[worldchamps]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Remember the midget that Pedro would take into the lockeroom when he was at Boston, you would always see him on TV especially during lockeroom celebrations. Maybe he is the "inside source".

Bill

[worldchamps]

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I found a picture

Bill

[sylbry]

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Wasn't there just a thread on players who trade jerseys? If the "Big Papi has 12 jersey's in his locker" story is indeed true could it be they are jerseys Ortiz signs or trades or sells to players on the other team? Maybe they were waiting in his locker for him to sign after the game for a charity? I am just throwing out some theories.

[kingjammy24]

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sylbry,
although i haven't seen many lockers, the ones i have seen have pretty much all been the same; street clothes, pre-game uniform (incl workout clothes + lots of tshirts), and the appropriate game uniform (usually a couple of sets of the same uni. eg: 2 road jerseys, 2 road pants, in case of damage, theft, etc).

11 game jerseys in 1 locker seems like a lot. the equipment manager and his staff, not the players, are responsible for having uniforms ready and laid out for each game. i'm bewildered as to why the redsox equipment staff put 11 jerseys into ortiz's locker for a game. what did they possibly think he was going to do with 11 jerseys in 1 game? as howard has stated, for the home team there's often an equipment room which is where road jerseys would be kept during home games. road teams don't typically bring their home uniforms.

having said all of that, i agree that one likely hypothesis could be that these were jerseys that ortiz ordered in order to trade/sell. however, what does that really say? that they weren't gameworn and were never intended to be gameworn? maybe that's why they all had the 6200 code?
rob, howard, and juan all gave great info regarding this practice. long story short, they said that players order these jerseys and they may, at times, not be completely correct. majestic may be sending customized retail jerseys, not exact player versions. if ortiz ordered 8 jerseys solely to trade, would you want one of these unworn jerseys that he never intended to wear? i wouldn't even call it a game-issue because they weren't issued to wear in a game. they were issued to sell or trade.

at any rate, in my limited experience, i haven't seen 11 game jerseys in a locker or road and home jerseys in a locker in a single game. (i don't understand why they'd lay out road jerseys during a home game or why they'd bother shipping home jerseys for a road series). i'd very much appreciate hearing other people's experiences regarding this.

since everyone loves pictures, here are a few lockers from boston and atlanta:



rudy.

[nesportspromotions]

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To Howard Wolf:
I am NOT trying to sell these jerseys. I am NOT a deceitful person. My game used expert buddy that knows the code “0062” said there was no way they could be game jerseys if they were “6200”. When I heard this, the first source I thought of and least embarrassing place for information is this forum. It’s an embarrassment to purchase bad stuff. I came to this forum first simply because I trust the people that post here. I trust there opinion and I TRUSTED the fact I wouldn’t be ridiculed here. (Well that trust is now gone.)

And by the way Howard the Red Sox are not the MARINERS. (That is not meant to be an insult to the Mariners.) In 2006 teams know a lot more about memorabilia and how to make their own money off it, (especially the RED SOX). The Red Sox will milk every penny they can out of that stadium and try to sell anything they can. For instance: the Red Sox themselves now sell game used bats at around 2 times market prices. In 1991 the world was a different place. If Griffey played for the Mariners NOW and your same contact set you up with him again Griffey would tell you to screw then tell the organization about your contact to ensure she would get fired.

The Red Sox have very strict rules regarding employees so my “contact” actually can’t get stuff. They are not supposed to ask for autographs or gratuities of any sort from a player. Earlier this year a security guard asked Pedro Martinez to sign a ball when he came in with the Mets. He happily signed it for him. This happened right in front of Larry Lucchino and John Henry. He was fired within an hour. He worked there for 8 years and got a 2004 W.S. Ring etc. He was fired for a single autograph. What do you think the odds are that Ortiz could sell a worker a jersey and the worker would still have a job? The Red Sox have just about locked down Fenway this year. Next time you are there try to notice all the surveillance cameras around the place. I’ll bet there are 200+ non-broadcast cameras in there now.

There used to be all kinds of equipment and jerseys coming out of there. Now there is not. Why? They hired a new guy that is like Big Brother watching over the place. He has clamped down on any possible tokens of appreciation that players could give to workers. There used to be a hazy gray area. Now it is black and white. You do X, Y or Z and you are fired. That’s it. No ifs, ands or buts.

BTW this bit you wrote is simply not nice:
‘I find your story about your "contact" a bit hard to believe. What I do believe is that you purchased a mint jersey that you have now discovered has retail tagging, and have created this elaborate story to try to make it "legit" in order to resell it.’

ALSO: Papi lives under different rules than the rest of the team. He gets what he wants. If he calls up Majestic and orders 81 home and 81 road jerseys all for 2006 it is now my understanding he’ll get them dropped off at his locker within 24 hours. He can have a zillion home and road jerseys sitting at his locker if he wanted. So what does that mean about the value of his jerseys? It can’t help it at all…

To Rudy:
Your pics you have posted are not from FenwayPark. Also the equipment manager is responsible for a lot of what a player has in his locker but they do not dictate EVERYTHING they have in their locker. Such as skin lotion, jewelry, cologne or 10-11 extra jerseys. If a superstar like Ortiz has extra stuff in his locker the equipment manager doesn’t confiscate it. Something tells me Papi put the extra home and road jerseys in his locker not the equipment manager. I can’t say 100% my jerseys are game used. The 6200 labeling puts doubt on it. But the fact that he has jerseys in his locker just like the two I recently purchased helps me feel comforted. He could have ordered a ton of jerseys to wear only one time and then give them to his boys to make some cash. No harm, no foul but they are just not all that rare. There’s a glut of Papi strip tagged 2006 jerseys now. The jerseys are probably worth a lot less that I paid but I feel better about them now. The money is not the issue. The authenticity is.

Thanks to everyone for your opinions. (Even Howard… but please try not to be so nasty next time.)