I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

[gameused]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Ahh, mine don't match. I wish they did! Thanks for the pic. Any idea of the date of that pic? Thanks!

That photo was taken on April 9, between the Red Sox and the Orioles at Camden yards.

Bobby

[MikeSimon]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Should the strip tag be sewn over the little size tag on Red Sox gamers?

[MikeSimon]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

If you don't mind us asking...How much did you pay for the pair?

[trsent]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

I do not know what is the verdict of this thread, but Rudy you do need to stop thinking that everyone is out to defraud the public, even the players themselves.

The players do not use the same thinking you do for situations.

In fact, I was looking at some jerseys with team letters today and some of the letters for game used jerseys were labeled "team issued". The jerseys showed wear and puckering.

Why did this happen? Simple: The team doesn't know that we have a whole dictionary for game used and game issued that they mistakenly violated.

[nesportspromotions]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

Ahh, mine don't match. I wish they did! Thanks for the pic. Any idea of the date of that pic? Thanks!

[gameused]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

OK, I'm gettin out the ruler right now....

Ahh nevermind!


BUT good point. Game use... They are not crisp jerseys but there is no real wear on either. There are a couple of small stains but that's about it.

When Papi's buddy handed them to me the road was inside out and it kind of had a smelly feet/locker room odor. But that means nothing if they came from the Papi's locker. They should smell like a locker room if they came out of one, used or not.

Here's a nice photo of a 2006 David Ortiz jersey showing the strip tag. If you look at his left shoulder area in the photo you can see some stains, the stains most likely pine tar came from from resting his bat on his shoulder before his swing, you may want to look at that area of your jerseys for any stains.

Also, I totally agree with the Red Sox clamping down on game used items leaving the locker room, last year I was getting a call from my contact in Boston for game used Red Sox bats every two weeks, now its like every two months.

[nesportspromotions]

Re: I think I got screwed on a 2006 David Ortiz Game Used Jersey

OK, I'm gettin out the ruler right now....

Ahh nevermind!


BUT good point. Game use... They are not crisp jerseys but there is no real wear on either. There are a couple of small stains but that's about it.

When Papi's buddy handed them to me the road was inside out and it kind of had a smelly feet/locker room odor. But that means nothing if they came from the Papi's locker. They should smell like a locker room if they came out of one, used or not.

Hypothesis: players are absolutely batsh*t about their equipment. I've got guys on my SOFTBALL team who don't like to wash their jerseys during a hot streak. Therefore, let us say that most players know exactly which jerseys/pants, etc. they are wearing at any given time.
Hypothesis: HOME jerseys are significantly more popular than road jerseys among collectors, and somewhat more popular than alternates. (I'm an exception to this rule, but this ain't about me.)
Known fact: players will wear more than one jersey during significant games. They've been doing it since at least 1995, when Cal Ripken wore at least two jerseys during the 2131 game.
Known fact: the team, not the player, owns the game jerseys issued to the player by the team, for game use. It has been standard practice to let players keep one jersey per season. (From what I've heard, it's just one jersey, not one of each style.)
Question: is there ANY evident wear on any of the Ortiz jerseys in question?
I doubt that a 6200-coded road jersey sitting in Ortiz' home locker would have been game worn, but I haven't taken a dip in the Jacuzzi in the Red Sox clubhouse in, well...ever.
I anxiously await the verdict on who has the biggest penis. Please keep me posted.
Thanks,
Mark Sutton
bigtime39@aol.com

[bigtime59]

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Hypothesis: players are absolutely batsh*t about their equipment. I've got guys on my SOFTBALL team who don't like to wash their jerseys during a hot streak. Therefore, let us say that most players know exactly which jerseys/pants, etc. they are wearing at any given time.
Hypothesis: HOME jerseys are significantly more popular than road jerseys among collectors, and somewhat more popular than alternates. (I'm an exception to this rule, but this ain't about me.)
Known fact: players will wear more than one jersey during significant games. They've been doing it since at least 1995, when Cal Ripken wore at least two jerseys during the 2131 game.
Known fact: the team, not the player, owns the game jerseys issued to the player by the team, for game use. It has been standard practice to let players keep one jersey per season. (From what I've heard, it's just one jersey, not one of each style.)
Question: is there ANY evident wear on any of the Ortiz jerseys in question?
I doubt that a 6200-coded road jersey sitting in Ortiz' home locker would have been game worn, but I haven't taken a dip in the Jacuzzi in the Red Sox clubhouse in, well...ever.
I anxiously await the verdict on who has the biggest penis. Please keep me posted.
Thanks,
Mark Sutton
bigtime39@aol.com

[nesportspromotions]

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Hey Rudy it really doesn't seem logical to have ROAD jerseys in his home locker. I agree with that.

BUT

My friend that does not work at Fenway but is a collector of Game Used jerseys told me there is "NO WAY" a 6200 could be a game used jersey. Well he could be right. He also could be wrong. The bottom line is this: There are 6200's in Papi's home locker. So these jerseys could have been worn by Ortiz in a game. I feel a little better about my purchase now. I'm not 100% but at least that is better being certain they did not get used in a game.

There are jerseys out there from the 1910's and 1920's with letters from everyone and there brother. Nobody KNOWS if they were really used by the players in question in a game or in 100 games. There is no certainty out there unless a player personally takes off the jersey and hands it to you after the game. Then YOU know the truth. Maybe I got screwed maybe I didn't. Let me say it again... I feel better about my purchase knowing there are 6200's in Papi's locker.


Thanks again for your input.
"how can ortiz wear road jerseys if they're sitting in his locker at fenway? and
why is ortiz keeping road jerseys in his locker at fenway instead of in the equipment room where all of the other player's road jerseys are kept?"

[nesportspromotions]

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One of two things are going on with you Howard...

#1 You are on a witch hunt....

OR

#2 You want me to say who my contact is....

Well I'm not going to say who my source is. Oh and by the way... There are no surveillance cameras in the locker area of the clubhouse.

Howard I'll type your response for you: "You can't be serious!" Yup I'm serious. There are no surveillance cameras where people are NAKED before and after every game.
OK Howard I'll type your response to that: "But there are TV cameras in the locker area after the game when the guys are changing." Yup you're correct again. BUT they are not supposed to video tape the players and coaches in the nude. There is someone controlling a TV camera. It is not placed on a wall to view the whole room 24/7.

BTW: My contact can take a plate of food from the post game spread everyday if he wants to. He could take a dip in the whirlpool and use the weight room too.


NOW AS FAR AS THE WITCH HUNT GOES:
Howard you are a rude person. You are a bully. I personally have never even met you (and don't ever care to) but you leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm completely disgusted with you and your comments. I'm sorry your 0062 jersey is not worth all that much anymore. It's not my fault there are a bunch of Big Papi 6200 jerseys that could have seen game play. It's obvious that because of this thread you feel threatened monetarily. That's why you keep attacking me so vehemently. I paid too much for my two jerseys but I feel better knowing there are 6200's in his locker. There are homes and roads there. The jerseys I have might never have seen the field at all. I don't know. For all I know the home jersey we've been seeing Papi where on TV could be the same one he had on his back Opening Day. It's not 100% on any jersey no matter who it comes from and no matter who's letter it comes with.













"Based on your most recent post, you expect us to believe your "contact" just walked into the clubhouse, stood in front of Ortiz's locker, and examined over a dozen jerseys inside of his locker (during a game no less!) to try to assit you in determining if your jersey was real? He did this knowing that an 8 year Red Sox employee was recently fired for asking for an autograph, knowing that there are over 200 cameras and an individual is roaming the place strictly looking for problems and crooks?
Did he happen to mention that he also took a quick dip in the Jacuzzi and tried a plate of the post-game spread, all before the 7th inning stretch?

You can't be serious!

Howard Wolf"

[kingjammy24]

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dave,

in order to arrive at an irrelevant conclusion (ortiz can't tell the difference between 0062s and 6200s), you're constructing several unlikely premises.

"Forget about the road jerseys for one second"

ok. let's forget about the smoking gun for a second.

"If Papi ordered 6 extra home jerseys and they were coded 6200 and mixed together with the team ordered jerseys in his locker.."

if ortiz ordered these and IF they were mixed in with team ordered jerseys, then ortiz likely couldn't tell the difference. we've arrived at the conclusion you wanted, as unhelpful as it may be to the real issue.

back to realities; who said anything about ortiz's orders being mixed in? that's a huge IF that you've assumed to support your conclusion.
nesports said his friend looked through all 11 jerseys in ortiz's locker and ALL were 6200s. he didn't say he found a mix of 0062s and 6200s which would indicate ortiz did mix them in. he said he found only 6200s. do you realize what this means? that NOTHING was mixed. ALL the jerseys were 6200s/ortiz-ordered. is it at all likely that majestic did not ship any 0062 jerseys to ortiz? i'll tell you where the 0062 jersey was: on ortiz's back during the game. if you want to pretend there was a mix to support some hypothetical conclusion, then that's beyond this discussion.

given that it's been proven there was no mix, what compelling evidence have you that ortiz mixes his orders and the teams orders into one big pile and can't tell the difference?
other than the evidence presented above, i'll add that the reality that players are selling/trading crisp jerseys strongly suggests they're very adept at keeping the 2 separate doesn't it?

the reality that there was no mix and the reality that players are trading/selling crisp jerseys undeniably lends serious weight to my theory. your idea 1) requires that we ignore the road jerseys 2) ignore the fact that there was no mix 3) pretend there was a mix 4) pretend players are trading worn and unworn jerseys when in fact they aren't.

if you'd like to believe in all of those assumptions, then i fail to see how they're leading you to any accurate conclusions. i ask this in all seriousness: have you invested in a bulk of 6200-coded ortiz jerseys?

rudy.

[CollectGU]

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Rudy,

Forget about the road jerseys for one second...Let's assume papi ordered 6 extra home jerseys for himself...My question is - If Papi ordered 6 extra home jerseys and they were coded 6200 and mixed together with the team ordered jerseys in his locker, do you really think that Papi or the euip manager cares and looks which ones are ordered by him and which by the team? My answer is no and some of the 6200 get worn and some of the 0062 get traded...What does papi or the equip. manager care which is which - only collectors care and they could care less about conversations like this...

[kingjammy24]

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hi dave,

you chose to specifically mention home jerseys only. my original issue was with road jerseys in his home locker.

do i think papi or the equipment manager looks at the codes before he puts one on? no, because even big papi knows not to wear a road uniform for a home game. given that the equipment manager isn't putting road uniforms into home lockers, it makes it pretty obvious to ortiz who put them there.

regarding home jerseys, i'll opine ortiz likely knows which ones he brought in and which uniform was laid out for him prior to his arrival in the clubhouse by the equipment staff. in reading the article, it seemed the players were pretty well-aware that they were trading/selling/buying unworn jerseys. they're intentionally trading crisp jerseys. the only way they're doing this is by being aware of which ones theyve ordered and which ones they really wear. it's really not as confusing as you may think. looking at codes isn't necessary.
if you doubt this, just examine set 1 Arod texas gamers vs set 3. now why is it the set 1's are hammered and the set 3's are crisp? however did arod manage to keep the 2 apart? did he look at the codes before putting each one on? is it magic that all the un-team tagged set 3's are crisp? they're well aware. it doesn't take a detective to tell the jerseys apart when you've lugged 10 of them in from your car into the clubhouse where 1 or 2 were already laid out by the equipment staff prior to your arrival.

as for rob steinmetz's 6200 coded clemens, what does that have to do with anything? my first post in this thread stated "re: the 6200 code. although intended for retail, they've been known to make it into clubhouses and used in games... i don't think a 6200 automatically and conclusively means it couldn't have been game used". the big issue is not the 6200. the big issue is the numerous road jerseys in the home locker.

the fact that all 11 were coded 6200 doesn't help. if rob had 11 6200-coded jerseys from a single player then i think most would agree that's a cause for concern. we're not talking about 1 6200. we're talking about 11 and the fact that road jerseys are in a home locker.

rudy.

[CollectGU]

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Rudy,

If he has 5 home jerseys in his locker for a home game, do you think Papi or the equipment manager is going to look to see which ones are coded 0062 or 6200 before he puts one on. Rob Steinmetz sold a 6200 coded Clemens in one of AMI's auctions as a gamer......

Dave

[hblakewolf]

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Rudy-
Likewise, let's not discard his information about his "contact" snooping around the clubhouse, either.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net