Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

[frikativ54]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

TIFWIW ... I was told by a associate from JO sports that there will be a new company that is buying out JO and part of the agreement is that all merchandise must be certified directly from the team.

Names will be kept private, just passing along info

Interesting development, if true.

[masp3392]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

TIFWIW ... I was told by a associate from JO sports that there will be a new company that is buying out JO and part of the agreement is that all merchandise must be certified directly from the team.

Names will be kept private, just passing along info

[matt]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I come to praise Chris C, not to bury him. I have been on this forum for many years, and have learned a HUGE amount from it.

Someone posted a while ago that

"No one gets up in the morning trying to figure out a way to better the hobby. Everyone just wants to better their collection."

Actually, one guy did do that when Chris took on the responsibility to run this forum. Now maybe I am missing something, but I have never paid much money to be on this forum, and I don't think that many of you have paid much money to be on here. I do not think he is making a ton of money off this forum or is engaging in some suspicious partnering with companies like JO Sports. I respect him for trying to create an actual business in various ways without losing integrity.

So why do folks jump on him as if he is a media mogul power broker like Rupert Murdoch every time something interesting happens, looking for a diabolical plot, retribution or vindication. The guy is giving us all a place we can discuss the hobby we love FOR FREE if we want. If he decides it is time to ban someone, he has every right, and the opposite is also true.

To me, the whole point of the forum is that we all know how murky all this hobby is, and this is a place to sort out the good from the bad together and learn. Let's get back to that and thank Chris for what he has done for the hobby.

And no, I am not Chris's friend, business associate or anything else. Just a member like you.

Matt Miller

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

No, no one has access to the email addresses either.

I do not know about 34swtns' claims about knowing facts but I can tell you he doesn't have any information coming from GUU. I am guessing he may know some of the posters directly as the basis for his claims. However, I can assure you he has no information from us.

-Chris

Your honesty and transparency on this matter is appreciated. I've purchased from JO and clearly others have and unfortunately have to agree with David in Post #78 including how I now perceive my own collection.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Mr. Cavalier, thank you for the response. You say no access to the names in the database, do they have the email addresses? Based on 34swtns concrete factual information, there must be a way he has crosschecked your GUU database.

As the owner of this site, if this doesn't trouble you, I will drop my concerns. I am the type that "opts out" and is on the DoNotCall lists for privacy purposes.

No, no one has access to the email addresses either.

I do not know about 34swtns' claims about knowing facts but I can tell you he doesn't have any information coming from GUU. I am guessing he may know some of the posters directly as the basis for his claims. However, I can assure you he has no information from us.

-Chris

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

No, nobody has any access to any of the names in the GUU database.

This thread, like its predecessors, is beginning to serve no purpose but for people to try to create conspiracy theories regarding things that do not exist.

This is the last time I will make this statement, if this thread is not used to try to serve as something beneficial to the hobby it will be closed.

-Chris

Mr. Cavalier, thank you for the response. You say no access to the names in the database, do they have the email addresses? Based on 34swtns concrete factual information, there must be a way he has crosschecked your GUU database.

As the owner of this site, if this doesn't trouble you, I will drop my concerns. I am the type that "opts out" and is on the DoNotCall lists for privacy purposes.

[ChrisCavalier]

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Mr. Lang, for that statement of his to be true he would need personal access to JO's customer list and the true identities of GUU members in order to crosscheck. As a moderator, do you have knowledge through the GUU relationship with JO, was JO provided with the GUU mailing lists and user names as that would tell one through a database crosscheck who is a customer or not.

This is getting more troubling to think a criminal element may have access to our registration and personal information.

Please respond, thank you.

No, nobody has any access to any of the names in the GUU database.

This thread, like its predecessors, is beginning to serve no purpose but for people to try to create conspiracy theories regarding things that do not exist.

This is the last time I will make this statement, if this thread is not used to try to serve as something beneficial to the hobby it will be closed.

-Chris

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Interesting statement. How can you possibly know that? Do you work for JO Sports?

Mr. Lang, for that statement of his to be true he would need personal access to JO's customer list and the true identities of GUU members in order to crosscheck. As a moderator, do you have knowledge through the GUU relationship with JO, was JO provided with the GUU mailing lists and user names as that would tell one through a database crosscheck who is a customer or not.

This is getting more troubling to think a criminal element may have access to our registration and personal information.

Please respond, thank you.

[Preston]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

"Originally Posted by 34swtns
I know for a concrete fact the vast majority of you have never done a nickel's worth of business with JO Sports."

Speaking of laughable...

I've personally purchased three "game used" jerseys from JO - one was a Carlos Rogers "photomatched" to a November 2008 game v. the Steelers (I have since sold this one to make room for new purchases), one is a Daunte Culpepper from 2004 with NO wear (they swear it's game used but I knew it was issued - but for the price and "name value" of the player I couldn't pass it up), and one is a Terdell Sands Raiders game worn jersey w/ actual hit marks and repairs (seeing as Terdell is by no means anything remotely close to a star, I'd like to believe that the alterations are legit - why commit fraud with the Terdell Sands of the world when you can sell fake Tim Tebow gamers and countless other fake stars?)

Have I purchased something from them? YES

Am I concerned that they've been busted for altering/faking/committing FRAUD - WHICH IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE? YES

Do I think the game used world would be better with them OUT of the picture
and NFL teams marketing their OWN game used stuff? YES

Would I purchase anything else FROM JO? NOPE, unless I could document/photomatch/etc and the price was right b/c a JO COA now carries the same stigma and "worth" as a Lou Lampson letter (and we KNOW how highly regarded HE is)

[David]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

And I'd say to the Bears fan, the market value IS based on what others think-- and what are they willing to pay. So, now or later, it does effect your own personal pocketbook what others think of material purchased through JO.

[David]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

One can argue about ethics, or value, or Bears collecting or photomatching or whatever, but material that is known to come from JO will have less value on the market. You can think that's fair or unfair or you don't think that way or you think that's unjustified, but invariably many buyers will not pay as much for a jersey from someone who has been convicted of fraud in the selling of game used. Many will refuse to bid on an item at all. That's just the way it will be, and you're dillusional if you think otherwise. Market value, re-sale value isn't just what you or I in our ivory towers chat boards think of this or that, but how others bidders and buyers value the material.

[allstarsplus]

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I know for a concrete fact the vast majority of you have never done a nickel's worth of business with JO Sports.

Interesting statement. How can you possibly know that? Do you work for JO Sports?

[freddiefreeman5]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

What really cracks me up and fires up my urge to continue dropping turds in your collective punchbowl is how absolutely invested in this whole thing you all make yourselves out to be.

You're all in such a mob-infused lather over this whole thing and I know for a concrete fact the vast majority of you have never done a nickel's worth of business with JO Sports.

Your misplaced level of concern is quite frankly pathetic and speaks volumes. If this is that big of a deal to you here's what I would suggest:

Back away from the computer!
Reassess your life and the set of priorities you've established for yourself and most importantly the order in which they are placed.

I'm not going to continue monitoring this thread from this point forward because, honestly, my opinion is the only one that really matters to me.
And again, "balls to say that" comes into play.

Enjoy your banter and have a lovely Thanksgiving.

I have never bought from JO Sports.
Do I have the right to be concerned for the wound they have inflicted on this hobby?
Do I have the right to try to rid this hobby of a businnes that would rip off my fellow hobbiest?
Do I have the right to comment on their shady business practices?
Do I have the right to be disgusted with what they have done?

I think I do. I think all of us have the right and the obligation to expose these people for what they are and to warn our fellow hobbiest about them.

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Don't all JO jerseys have an inventory tag with the JO website on it? At this time I do not believe I own a single JO jersey, but if I was selling something from them, I wouldn't hide their inventory tag. It is what it is.

If someone removes their inventory tag, it is not my call if they have to tell the next buyer it came from JO. Each person can make their own moral decision. No one can tell the world what to do in these situations. It is each person's choice. I don't even know exact items that got JO in trouble in the first place so I have no idea what items are in question since exact items were never published. Just a vague referral to many items in the posted court documents.

Please do not turn this on me. The conversation is getting off track once again and one guy is laughing at the forum stating he'll still buy stuff from JO and others and stating that anything ever bought from JO is suspect.

Everything is suspect from everyone and if you do your homework you should learn about each item.

Please do not bait me. I'm just trying to be reasonable and both sides on this one are making posts that are not helping our education of the situation.

I honestly thought you were baiting me and twisting my words in Post 71. Why don't we not address each other again because I don't have time to twist words with you. You have the 2,900+ posts and as a Senior Member I wanted your opinion just that simple.. Thank you kindly for your response.

[trsent]

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Mr. Alpert, do you believe if you own a jersey you purchased from JO Sports and you decide to sell it where you don't have a photomatch, should you morally disclose it was purchased from JO or suppress that information?

I personally believe all JO items are suspect without a conclusive photomatch. Using Otismalibu's statement not "blurry area with the red circle is a photo match".

Don't all JO jerseys have an inventory tag with the JO website on it? At this time I do not believe I own a single JO jersey, but if I was selling something from them, I wouldn't hide their inventory tag. It is what it is.

If someone removes their inventory tag, it is not my call if they have to tell the next buyer it came from JO. Each person can make their own moral decision. No one can tell the world what to do in these situations. It is each person's choice. I don't even know exact items that got JO in trouble in the first place so I have no idea what items are in question since exact items were never published. Just a vague referral to many items in the posted court documents.

Please do not turn this on me. The conversation is getting off track once again and one guy is laughing at the forum stating he'll still buy stuff from JO and others and stating that anything ever bought from JO is suspect.

Everything is suspect from everyone and if you do your homework you should learn about each item.

Please do not bait me. I'm just trying to be reasonable and both sides on this one are making posts that are not helping our education of the situation.