Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

[trsent]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

So what did you expect Chris to do with his account, give him premier gold status?

It's like Penn State removing Paterno....kind of a no brainer.

See, I feel differently - I feel we should let him (them) post on here to explain themselves. Could be ground breaking. We all know with the legal work still going on they wouldn't post, but wouldn't you love to have JO and others come on here and discuss the situation with us?

I know it would never happen, but barring JO from posting doesn't really accomplish anything - They weren't going to come on here and post anyway, so if we left their account accessible to be able to post, maybe someday they would come on here and clear the air.

I don't believe anything relating to Penn State should be related to the sports memorabilia investigation - One was a sick crime that is so unbelievable that comparing that situation with a sports memorabilia while collar crime is not a good comparison.

If you wish to compare the situations, let's be clear - Joe Pa and even the accused in that case can come on television and other media outlets and give their views on the situation. Why not let those involved come on here and offer up for open questioning? Even a statement without reply could be something positive somewhere down the road.

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I just want to commend Chris for doing the right thing and banning JO from this forum.

So what did you expect Chris to do with his account, give him premier gold status?

It's like Penn State removing Paterno....kind of a no brainer.

[nycpropain]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

So was this the big statement they where going to make? Or can we forget that whole fairy tale now?

[lakeerie92]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I believe he is saying he feels bad for the victims.

[camarokids]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

The sad thing is that so many build a good reputation, and start making good money doing so. Then instead of enjoying what they have built, they get greedy and decide to take advanatage of the reputation they built, and decide go down the wrong road. Many people were done wrong in this situation, and I feel bad for all of them.

Not sure why you would feel bad for the thieves? What about the victims?

[xpress34]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Not referring to anyone specific, but I believe in general if you made your way to success with cheating you'll keep at it if you're not caught. Barring genuine major religious conversion, I don't think people quit cheating if it is a cash cow and if they think they can get away with.

David -

I was thinking this same thing. I mean I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, but who knows FOR CERTAIN that NONE of those HUNDREDS of jerseys aren't still hanging around in JO's and other inventories just in case they need them to make a sale?

JO and Steve Jensen and others just seem to continue with Business as Usual during all of this... I would think at a minimum - court ordered or not - that they would shut down for at least a brief time to at least show some sort of semblance that they are contrite for their actions, but no... they just keep on advertising and selling like nothing ever happened.

Just my .02 -

Smitty

[trsent]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Not referring to anyone specific, but I believe in general if you made your way to success with cheating you'll keep at it if you're not caught. Barring genuine major religious conversion, I don't think people quit cheating if it is a cash cow and if they think they can get away with.

You must not know Bernie Gernay very well.

[David]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Again, I am not commenting on anyone specific and I don't know any of the specific stores.

[David]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Not referring to anyone specific, but I believe in general if you made your way to success with cheating you'll keep at it if you're not caught. Barring genuine major religious conversion, I don't think people quit cheating if it is a cash cow and if they think they can get away with.

[lakeerie92]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

If you read all of the information there is a specific incident with Jarrod in April of 2008. It is more recent than six or seven years ago.

[commando]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

The sad thing is that so many build a good reputation, and start making good money doing so. Then instead of enjoying what they have built, they get greedy and decide to take advanatage of the reputation they built, and decide go down the wrong road. Many people were done wrong in this situation, and I feel bad for all of them.

I agree with what you're saying, but in the case of J.O. it may be the exact opposite.... Jarrod may have done his shenanigans six or seven years ago, then used the funds to position himself as a legit dealer with direct team contacts. I assume you need quite a bit of cash in your pocket to strike deals directly with any major league clubs these days...

[3arod13]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

The sad thing is that so many build a good reputation, and start making good money doing so. Then instead of enjoying what they have built, they get greedy and decide to take advanatage of the reputation they built, and decide go down the wrong road. Many people were done wrong in this situation, and I feel bad for all of them.

[nickacs]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

So, I guess I'm not understanding all the court case/FBI info correctly, but why is it that JOSports continues to still run and sell memorabilia if, in fact, they have admitted guilt to selling fake game used jerseys in the past?
Likewise, how come VA auctions continues to run like nothing happened either? (Sorry, I know this is a different subject, but still pertains to the overall question).

I would think sports memorabilia auction/dealers such as these would be shut down indefinitely, no? Or is the case of JOSports that the guilty timeframe was that back in 2004, so they can continue to sell current NFL "game worn" jerseys?

Just seems to me both places are still up and running like nothing has ever happened and looks like the possibility of future customers could possibly be "dup'ed" into buying fake memorabilia again.

[Number9]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

This one sentence in the court papers sums it all up pretty well:

(c) Beginning not later than in or about the middle of 2004, the defendant admits that in the name of JO Sports, Inc. or his name, he obtained hundreds of jerseys that were not game used for the purpose of re-sale, consignment, or auction of the jerseys as game used jerseys.


I commend and thank the federal authorities and hope they continue to investigate and punish others. I also appreciate the collectors here that care about others and our hobby, and I commend and thank Chris for banning the criminals.

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Mr. Cavalier, thank you for the swift response. His mentioning of you actually led me to your web page in January 2010 and didn't have any impact on my decision to purchase. Your site has given quite the education. Most appreciative to the value of photomatch. Somehow I believe this site and membership was the driving force behind cleansing the hobby.