Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Smitty, Mr. Cavalier posted possibly while you were doing your writeup. My only criticism of Mr. Cavalier's response is his mention of timing as to Team deals. At this point, does it really matter?

While timing may give further clarity, it is just merely a sad footnote to an epitaph. Once a cheater, tread lightly on any JO product regardless of timeframe. As I said, nothing short of a conclusive photomatch will do.

[ironmanfan]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Saints -



As of this writing, josportsco is still a member in good standing (I just searched the member list and he does NOT have a banned or suspended tag under his name) and has not been banned from this site while others have been banned immediately for way less serious offenses against the hobby - and this site - than this.

I agree with your statements that his affiliation with GUU (specials, etc) and how GUU handles that affiliation will definately temper how big of a black eye this is to this site - not just the hobby.

All the best -

Smitty

Smitty...perhaps you & Chris were posting at the same time but if you read Chris's post, you will note that JO is now a banned member of this community...(BTW, I applaud Chris for taking this action).

Bill

[xpress34]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

While I would personally like an explanation from Mr. Oldridge and would like the forum members to hear directly, I have no interest in leaving that option open since some forum members will undoubtedly accuse me of trying to defend JO if we do. Therefore, despite the fact that I would really like Mr. Oldridge to post specifics here, we will go ahead and ban JO from the forum since, if we don't, there will be obviously some here who will claim some form of impropriety on the part of GUU.

Given my time is limited right now due to our upcoming auction launch, I will have a limited amount of time to post here. Therefore, if anyone has specific questions that are worthy of a response, I apologize in advance if it might take some time for me to post on the forum. I trust people will understand this is not a matter of avoidance but simply feasibility given all we need to do in preparation for our upcoming auction launch.

Sincerely,
Chris

Chris -

As a matter of being fair, I was writing my last post while you were apparently posting this one (my statement that as of my writing JO was still in good standing).

I do appreciate the value of your time (or anyone's for that matter) to respond to any questions asked and thank you for your candor regarding your time available here vs the 8D auction.

That said, I do believe that my other comments stated are both valid and based in fact which can be verified from previous threads and posts and I hope you will accept them in the way in which they are intended and not like some here thinking I am on a witch hunt or out to bash others.

As a disabled vet and former Loss Prevention agent, I take fraud (theft as it's most base) as a very serious offense regardless of who perpetrated the fraud. I have ended countless relationships of fraud and deceit and that's with people who I know very well - much less those I only know casually through a web site.

I do have one question and hope you have time to answer it - will C to C be taken down again for this auction as it was for the previous GUU auction?

All the best -

Smitty

[xpress34]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I wake up to scan the forum and can't believe Mr. Oldridge pleaded guilty.

Saints -

Let me open by stating this post is NOT an attack on you or any other forum member (or owner/mod/etc)...

That said, I am sure you are not the only one who will have that feeling, but if you read the other threads on this subject, myself and others tried as best as we could to explain that a 'Criminal Information' is a Plea Bargain (meaning the admission of guilt) - it just hadn't been put into a Legal Document yet (as I attached a few posts back) but that doesn't change the fact that - again - JO had already made the plea deal by the time any of us read the the 2nd article from SCD.

Many posted here that no one knew the facts, etc - again, links were posted to the charges, etc - and I think it was just them turning a blind eye and holding out hope that what they were reading wasn't true.

As of this writing, josportsco is still a member in good standing (I just searched the member list and he does NOT have a banned or suspended tag under his name) and has not been banned from this site while others have been banned immediately for way less serious offenses against the hobby - and this site - than this.

I agree with your statements that his affiliation with GUU (specials, etc) and how GUU handles that affiliation will definately temper how big of a black eye this is to this site - not just the hobby.

All the best -

Smitty

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I am sure Chris will now remove his affiliation with JO and remove Jarrod and his company from their ability to post here. I say this with sincerity as I have always found GUU to be conducted with integrity and the Mods (including Mr. Cavalier) have always been very straightforward and understanding when a post a comment or have a thread deleted for unknowingly breaking the site's rules....

I don't think I am alone in saying Chris showed tremendous restraint and true class in dealing with this scandal so far. I bear no ill will towards him or this site and feel confident he will do what is right to continue to protect GUU's integrity.

Hello Matt,

Thank you very much for your post. It is refreshing to know that there are some who can look at things rationally and with a sense of rigor.

As I posted previously, I did not state that I believed no wrongdoing took place. I stated that I was leaving the forum open to Mr. Oldridge to post if he cared to answer any of the board members directly given there were still so many unknowns.

Personally, I still have a number of questions. That is, I am still not clear of the scope of Mr. Oldridge's involvement and if it involves any of the merchandise acquired from his team deals. While I would personally like an explanation from Mr. Oldridge and would like the forum members to hear directly, I have no interest in leaving that option open since some forum members will undoubtedly accuse me of trying to defend JO if we do. Therefore, despite the fact that I would really like Mr. Oldridge to post specifics here, we will go ahead and ban JO from the forum since, if we don't, there will be obviously some here who will claim some form of impropriety on the part of GUU. Instead, I will seek the answers to the questions I have off these boards.

In addition, 8D will be contacting the teams currently having deals with JO Sports. If there is any question that the items from JO's team deals are in question, we will remove them from the 8D Auction. Personally, I suspect the items from the team deals are not in question. However, 8D will remove them from the auction if there is any question whatsoever after discussing this matters with the teams.

Given my time is limited right now due to our upcoming auction launch, I will have a limited amount of time to post here. Therefore, if anyone has specific questions that are worthy of a response, I apologize in advance if it might take some time for me to post on the forum. I trust people will understand this is not a matter of avoidance but simply feasibility given all we need to do in preparation for our upcoming auction launch.

Sincerely,
Chris

[kellsox]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Plea agreements filed in federal court on Monday say Gernay, Horne and Oldridge have agreed to provide information to investigators and testify in civil or criminal proceedings

How is this going to work out with Oldridge still being the owner of JO????

Also, I wonder what NFL teams will do when learning of the guilty plea....

k

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I wake up to scan the forum and can't believe Mr. Oldridge pleaded guilty.

While I have no doubt that Mr. Cavalier is a man of high integrity, he nonetheless is and will be tied to JO now for the wrong reasons. Like it or not, it becomes "trouble" by association.

Of other interest is the affiliation with the 8D Auction, where the DOZENS of game used football items don't have any mention of JO, only Team LOA. Nothing short of a conclusive photomatch would get me to bid.

Dirt and grass stains can be added and Team LOAs that didn't come direct from the Teams to 8D mean very little.

In conclusion, Mr. Oldridge didn't just screw himself, he has screwed many good people by association. He has screwed those who spent their hard earned money with him only to find that JO COA may devalue the item. I only hope that Mr. Cavalier realizes there are very few people that you really know in actuality. Nobody ever prepares for this type of fallout. This is earth shattering in size and scope. It's now how Mr. Cavalier deals with the aftermath that will define him in this hobby.

[xpress34]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Smitty - Do you think our posts will be here come tomorrow?

Bill -

I'm off to bed (just past midnight here in Denver - the 'clock' for this site has never been set by the powers that be) and I'll be up by 5:30am, so I guess we will see.... that is why I always copy and file every post I make before I post it so I will have a copy to reference if the time and need ever come...

All the best -

Smitty

[gingi79]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Eric, thanks for starting this thread with updates on the newest version of the "Evil Axis of 6"

The last thread really drove home the fact that even well respected dealers can be found to be less than their reputation and company motto relay. You would think someone whose price structure was as ridiculed at JO's was, would at least take the time to find only authentic merchandise.

I am sure Chris will now remove his affiliation with JO and remove Jarrod and his company from their ability to post here. I say this with sincerity as I have always found GUU to be conducted with integrity and the Mods (including Mr. Cavalier) have always been very straightforward and understanding when a post a comment or have a thread deleted for unknowingly breaking the site's rules.

Other valued members have mentioned the 4 collectors who defended JO. Our resident Walter Payton fan even went so far as to tell us all how his collection is all he cares about and the rest of us deserve to buy fakes and therefore suffer the consequences. I don't however think he said anything worth banning him for. In that particular thread. Censoring his posts simply because he said things we didn't agree with, doesn't jive with the purpose of this site.

I don't think I am alone in saying Chris showed tremendous restraint and true class in dealing with this scandal so far. I bear no ill will towards him or this site and feel confident he will do what is right to continue to protect GUU's integrity.

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Smitty - Do you think our posts will be here come tomorrow?

[xpress34]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Can anyone photo match these?

I can tell you they are FAKE with certainty... don't look anything like any of my Police Issue Smith and Wesson's I carried when doing Loss Prevention...

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Bill -

Not to stray from the thread at hand, but it just hit me (no pun intended) that you had mentioned Mjölnir and then you state that this post is for Lokee... was your reference to Thor's hammer planned or just coincidence? (Being as Lokee is Thor's nemesis)...

All the best -

Smitty

I can't lie....just coincidence.

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Can anyone photo match these?

[xpress34]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

No, but this was similar to an earlier post that was taken down.

This post is for Lokee!!!!!!!!

Bill -

Not to stray from the thread at hand, but it just hit me (no pun intended) that you had mentioned Mjölnir and then you state that this post is for Lokee... was your reference to Thor's hammer planned or just coincidence? (Being as Lokee is Thor's nemesis)...

All the best -

Smitty

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Bill -

1st, that would be Mjölnir - the Hammer of Thor...

2nd' did Mr Cavalier respond to you privately? You mentioned having his attention, yet I didn't see a post from him in this thread - yet.

All the best -

Smitty

No, but this was similar to an earlier post that was taken down.

This post is for Lokee!!!!!!!!