Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

[frikativ54]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

I just want to commend Chris for doing the right thing and banning JO from this forum.

[buckeyegamers]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Check out ebay auction # 270858076791

Still "misrepresenting" jerseys. I did ask the "seller" if the Gene Upshaw (GU 63) patch had been removed from this jersey but have yet to get a reply. All 9/4/08 jerseys had this patch. This coupled with the fact that Springs didn't play in this particular game tells me that someone hasn't learned their lesson.

[kellsox]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Banning him was a no -brainer and I'm sure not being unable to post on this board is high on JO's list of problems. What will be interesting is which entities (including GUU) will continue their relationship with JO

[joelsabi]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Banning him was a no -brainer and I'm sure not being unable to post on this board is high on JO's list of problems. What will be interesting is which entities (including GUU) will continue their relationship with JO

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/member.php?u=3807

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/member.php?find=lastposter&t=7443

[joelsabi]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

here is the primary source

http://www.fbi.gov/chicago/press-releases/2011/three-men-plead-guilty-to-fraud-involving-sports-memorabilia

here is the place to subscribe to fbi updates

http://www.fbi.gov/e-mail-updates

[kellsox]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

meant to say "not very high"....

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Years ago when Al Gore list to George Bush, I told my friend what an amazing speech Gore gave and how gracious he was. My friend replied "How hard is it to look gracious when you have no choice but to do the right thing. "

[SaintsGeaux]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Hello Matt,

Thank you very much for your post. It is refreshing to know that there are some who can look at things rationally and with a sense of rigor.

As I posted previously, I did not state that I believed no wrongdoing took place. I stated that I was leaving the forum open to Mr. Oldridge to post if he cared to answer any of the board members directly given there were still so many unknowns.

Personally, I still have a number of questions. That is, I am still not clear of the scope of Mr. Oldridge's involvement and if it involves any of the merchandise acquired from his team deals. While I would personally like an explanation from Mr. Oldridge and would like the forum members to hear directly, I have no interest in leaving that option open since some forum members will undoubtedly accuse me of trying to defend JO if we do. Therefore, despite the fact that I would really like Mr. Oldridge to post specifics here, we will go ahead and ban JO from the forum since, if we don't, there will be obviously some here who will claim some form of impropriety on the part of GUU. Instead, I will seek the answers to the questions I have off these boards.

In addition, 8D will be contacting the teams currently having deals with JO Sports. If there is any question that the items from JO's team deals are in question, we will remove them from the 8D Auction. Personally, I suspect the items from the team deals are not in question. However, 8D will remove them from the auction if there is any question whatsoever after discussing this matters with the teams.

Given my time is limited right now due to our upcoming auction launch, I will have a limited amount of time to post here. Therefore, if anyone has specific questions that are worthy of a response, I apologize in advance if it might take some time for me to post on the forum. I trust people will understand this is not a matter of avoidance but simply feasibility given all we need to do in preparation for our upcoming auction launch.

Sincerely,
Chris

Mr. Cavalier, I want to share with you a story from 2010 when I purchased a Drew Brees jersey from Eric Inselberg. During our discussion he said that you had a relationship with him.

Can you comment on that and will Inselberg be banned as well?

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Will the consumers who were deceived get any restitution?

Is this situation grounds for a class action suit against any affected card companies?

[schubert1970]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Mr. Cavalier, I want to share with you a story from 2010 when I purchased a Drew Brees jersey from Eric Inselberg. During our discussion he said that you had a relationship with him.

Can you comment on that and will Inselberg be banned as well?

Great question.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

Mr. Cavalier, I want to share with you a story from 2010 when I purchased a Drew Brees jersey from Eric Inselberg. During our discussion he said that you had a relationship with him.

Can you comment on that and will Inselberg be banned as well?

Hello Michael,

I had met Eric many years ago through someone else in the industry. I was told that Eric had "connections" with all the teams and that he was one of the best sources in the industry to get game used items.

After purchasing some items, I, after learning more from others in the industry, became concerned that many of the star position player jerseys from Eric lacked the use that one might expect from players in those positions. As such, I discontinued purchasing anything from Eric. Ironically, situations like those provided one of the reasons I started Game Used Universe. While I cannot comment on whether or not those jerseys were fraudulent or not (I understand Mr. Inselberg has pleaded "Not Guilty"), I personally wasn't comfortable with what he had to offer. Therefore, Game Used Universe was created, among other things, to help collectors become more aware of what to look for and be able to make more educated decisions about what they are purchasing.

I cannot speak to his statement that we "had a relationship" but I don't think I had spoken to Eric since around 2006 or thereabouts. If that played into your decision in making your purchase, I wish you would have contacted me in 2010 and I would have given you that information.

As for Eric be banned, I am not aware that he is a member of GUU. In fact, I just checked the database and did not find his name. If you know of any account that belongs to Eric please let me know and it will be banned.

Please feel free to let me know if that answers your question.

Sincerely,
Chris

[SaintsGeaux]

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Mr. Cavalier, thank you for the swift response. His mentioning of you actually led me to your web page in January 2010 and didn't have any impact on my decision to purchase. Your site has given quite the education. Most appreciative to the value of photomatch. Somehow I believe this site and membership was the driving force behind cleansing the hobby.

[Number9]

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This one sentence in the court papers sums it all up pretty well:

(c) Beginning not later than in or about the middle of 2004, the defendant admits that in the name of JO Sports, Inc. or his name, he obtained hundreds of jerseys that were not game used for the purpose of re-sale, consignment, or auction of the jerseys as game used jerseys.


I commend and thank the federal authorities and hope they continue to investigate and punish others. I also appreciate the collectors here that care about others and our hobby, and I commend and thank Chris for banning the criminals.

[nickacs]

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So, I guess I'm not understanding all the court case/FBI info correctly, but why is it that JOSports continues to still run and sell memorabilia if, in fact, they have admitted guilt to selling fake game used jerseys in the past?
Likewise, how come VA auctions continues to run like nothing happened either? (Sorry, I know this is a different subject, but still pertains to the overall question).

I would think sports memorabilia auction/dealers such as these would be shut down indefinitely, no? Or is the case of JOSports that the guilty timeframe was that back in 2004, so they can continue to sell current NFL "game worn" jerseys?

Just seems to me both places are still up and running like nothing has ever happened and looks like the possibility of future customers could possibly be "dup'ed" into buying fake memorabilia again.

[3arod13]

Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

The sad thing is that so many build a good reputation, and start making good money doing so. Then instead of enjoying what they have built, they get greedy and decide to take advanatage of the reputation they built, and decide go down the wrong road. Many people were done wrong in this situation, and I feel bad for all of them.