Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty

[both-teams-played-hard]

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I hope this is the beginning of the end for "game used jersey" cards.

[trsent]

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I also want to say that I'm glad to see that Chris has made sure that none of these guys will be able to be members or be able to post on here anymore.

I really can't believe you think it is punishment that guys involved on the wrong end of a federal investigation can't post on this forum. I'd really love to let them post and answer questions and maybe shed some light on their situation, especially since it appears many of them are still actively running their businesses.

I think barring them from posting on the forum is giving them an excuse not to communicate with the hobby and hopefully explain exactly what happened and why they did punishable crimes. Barring them gives them an excuse not to shed light on their crimes and what they are doing to clean up their act since they are still active members of business.

Just the way I see it. None of the six want to post on this forum I'm sure so now we are giving them an excuse not to respond publicly.

In all fairness, Lampson offers a "letter of opinion" and has never been charged with a federal case. I don't know of any questions that Lampson has personally altered a piece or added wear. I think it is truly unfair to group Lou Lampson along with some admitted felons.

Someone said a Lou Lampson letter is more valuable than a JO letter.

I think both are what they always have been - A letter you need to do your homework on before buying the item attached with it. Just in the past people thought a JO letter meant you didn't have to do your homework and now you do.

[Canseco44]

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I agree with Joel that I would love to hear what these guys have to say. I also believe Chris did the right thing by banning them. Maybe a couple of the moderators could try and make contact with them at some point and post their comments or explanations through the moderators. I have seen this done in the past with other banned members. I also agree with Joel that banning them gave them an automatic out from speaking to us at all.

So maybe through a moderator or someone else on the forum, we can get an explanation from these guys.

[trsent]

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I agree with Joel that I would love to hear what these guys have to say. I also believe Chris did the right thing by banning them. Maybe a couple of the moderators could try and make contact with them at some point and post their comments or explanations through the moderators. I have seen this done in the past with other banned members. I also agree with Joel that banning them gave them an automatic out from speaking to us at all.

So maybe through a moderator or someone else on the forum, we can get an explanation from these guys.

Finally! You and I agree on something!

I doubt any of them will talk or post for a while. I thought in the files posted by the government with each plea agreement it said they wouldn't be sentenced until May, 2012. I hope that date it right but you can get the idea.

[schubert1970]

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I agree with Joel that I would love to hear what these guys have to say. I also believe Chris did the right thing by banning them. Maybe a couple of the moderators could try and make contact with them at some point and post their comments or explanations through the moderators. I have seen this done in the past with other banned members. I also agree with Joel that banning them gave them an automatic out from speaking to us at all.

So maybe through a moderator or someone else on the forum, we can get an explanation from these guys.

I gotta think these guys are more worried about their lives than explaining their actions to us forum members. Also, I would think their attorney's would want them to refrain from making any public statements.

Look what happened to that Penn State coach when he spoke to Costas. At first I couldn't understand why his attorney allowed him to do the interview, but the attorney himself got a 18year old client of his pregnant when he was 49, so Sandusky and him must be members of the same club.

[trsent]

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I gotta think these guys are more worried about their lives than explaining their actions to us forum members. Also, I would think their attorney's would want them to refrain from making any public statements.

Look what happened to that Penn State coach when he spoke to Costas. At first I couldn't understand why his attorney allowed him to do the interview, but the attorney himself got a 18year old client of his pregnant when he was 49, so Sandusky and him must be members of the same club.

Sure, your first paragraph is correct. No one doubts that, but why not have this forum be a place open to them to explain their actions and what they are doing to make corrections with their life/business when they are ready to discuss it?

The second paragraph - Why do people keep comparing the situation with a child molester to this one? They are like apples and limes. No one cares about an attorney who got a woman 31 years his minor pregnant. It doesn't help the discussions at hand and just takes the good out of this discussion.

And that is what I have to say with my 2967th post on the new Game Used Universe Forum. (The old forum posts were not carried over)

[schubert1970]

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Sure, your first paragraph is correct. No one doubts that, but why not have this forum be a place open to them to explain their actions and what they are doing to make corrections with their life/business when they are ready to discuss it?

The second paragraph - Why do people keep comparing the situation with a child molester to this one? They are like apples and limes. No one cares about an attorney who got a woman 31 years his minor pregnant. It doesn't help the discussions at hand and just takes the good out of this discussion.

And that is what I have to say with my 2967th post on the new Game Used Universe Forum. (The old forum posts were not carried over)

I wasn't comparing the crime, only that I couldn't understand why his attorney would let him speak in public. That was all.

[Dewey2007]

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Now whether you bought from JO or not doesn't matter to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I have purchased jerseys from JO and it was obviously troubling to me as a collector to see his name included among those charged. With that said, I don't doubt that any of the jerseys I purchased from him are not the real deal or have been possibly doctored to be photomatched (which is ludicrous and deserves its own thread one of these days) like someone has suggested. Not trying to make myself feel better. Just stating what I believe. I'm just glad that the feds are doing what they're doing in an effort to help our hobby.

Lastly, I think because we considered JO one of our own that makes his involvement in this mean so much more to many. He was active on this site, unlike any of the others that I'm aware of, and I sense that is why more vitriol has been thrown his way then any of the others who were charged. I haven't read hardly any comments about any of the other 5 charged. It makes me wonder how invested people would have really been in all of this if JO had not been involved as opposed to 6 people who had no real connection to GUU.

Just my two cents...happy turkey day everyone.

[Eric]

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Of the six charged, we know
Jarrod Oldridge is still selling game used items with JOSports and running an auction
Mitchell Schumacher is still selling game used items on ebay under the name masauction- in fact he sold something as recently as 11/20

Any idea if
Bernie Gernay, Eric Inselberg, Brad Horne and Brad Wells are still in the industry as sellers, consignors or auctioneers?

Here's the most recent posting i could find about Brad Wells' Historic Auctions

http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/historic-auctions-st-petersburg-florida-c274963.html

[mickeymbz]

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In all fairness, Lampson offers a "letter of opinion" and has never been charged with a federal case. I don't know of any questions that Lampson has personally altered a piece or added wear. I think it is truly unfair to group Lou Lampson along with some admitted felons.

how is it unfair when he, a supposed expert, signs his name away on anything and everything for sake of making a buck..NO, he has not been charged or admitted to wrongdoings.... yet what he does for that buck, is done INTENTIONALLY for the sake of making that buck,, he KNOWS he has no clue whether that shirt(s) are authentic or not. my guess is he doesnt give a crap..just the buck he makes is all that matters

[both-teams-played-hard]

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how is it unfair when he, a supposed expert, signs his name away on anything and everything for sake of making a buck..NO, he has not been charged or admitted to wrongdoings.... yet what he does for that buck, is done INTENTIONALLY for the sake of making that buck,, he KNOWS he has no clue whether that shirt(s) are authentic or not. my guess is he doesnt give a crap..just the buck he makes is all that matters

I understand your point. But it's damn difficult to judge someone's intentions.

[schubert1970]

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how is it unfair when he, a supposed expert, signs his name away on anything and everything for sake of making a buck..NO, he has not been charged or admitted to wrongdoings.... yet what he does for that buck, is done INTENTIONALLY for the sake of making that buck,, he KNOWS he has no clue whether that shirt(s) are authentic or not. my guess is he doesnt give a crap..just the buck he makes is all that matters

Glad you understood the point I was trying to make.

[joelsabi]

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In all fairness, Lampson offers a "letter of opinion" and has never been charged with a federal case. I don't know of any questions that Lampson has personally altered a piece or added wear. I think it is truly unfair to group Lou Lampson along with some admitted felons.

I am pretty certain that Lampson did have his letter of opinion on the ARod jersey that was mentioned in the arrest at the National this year. That was a federal case too. It is common knowledge that Lampson writes the LOA for Vintage Authentics,at least for many ARod jerseys. the 7.5 he gave that particular jersey is the same rating scale lampson used on previous LOAs for early ARod Mariner jerseys for Vintage Authentics. Other ratings given to ARod jerseys were 8. 8.5, and 9.5.

[b.heagy]

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I wonder if another door will open on the game used bat cards and cut signatures that the card companies used..... will be interesting to see what else unfolds.

[sportscentury]

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If I owned and planned to sell or trade a photomatched jersey that originated from one of the named dealers, I would just submit it to MeiGray for an independent photomatch evaluation/confirmation and photomatch LOA. If MeiGray confirmed the match, this would surely remove any concern a buyer might have about the jersey and/or its original LOA.

Just a thought.