All-Star Dealers reality show

[Rboitano]

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Ya the jersey is tagged 66, but it was probably reissued two years later. Yep a perfect photo match too. Haha.

[kprst6]

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Wow, this show is a joke. They authenticate a John Elway jersey with little wear as authentic by simply looking at wash tags, painted on numbers, and a potential name plate change? This was allegedly worn in an NFL game, back when they wore 1 jersey for the entire year. It shows no wear whatsoever. Lame.

[Nnunnari]

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[Masimen]

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Aside from being totally turned off by Richie and his love of money, am I correct that Spence said he had never seen a Mantle "Oklahoma Kid" signed ball? Thanks to this new-fangled interweb, I did a Google search that took me 4 seconds and saw that he authenticated one in 2005 for American Memorabilia at the link below:
(http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?auction_id=23490). These guys have to be careful about what they say when the average Joe can poke holes in their credibility so fast. And shouldn't Richie and his boys know how to do a Google search too? It seemed silly that Richie would fly across the country to just see James Worthy for 3 minutes. They should have coupled it with him going to see someone's pieces that they wanted to sell while he was in Los Angeles. Made it seem far less real. It won't last because he gives people the reason to have the typical stereotypes of older, out of shape. money-grubbing dealers who never even threw a ball for fun as a kid.

Hey Craig, good to see you on here!

[cliffjmp33]

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I'd like to know how much gets edited to make different shows. If I'm correct, weren't they in Vegas to go through Rodman's stuff the 1st show, then in LA to talk to Worthy the next show? I'm making the assumption both events probably took place on the same road trip, but split up into different shows to make for more drama/segments.

In all, I found it interesting and somewhat entertaining. It seems that some of the stuff is played up/scripted, but when it comes down to it, I think being able to show the general public that fakes like the Lott jersey exist are in the long run helpful.

[34swtns]

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I understand they're walking the line between being entertaining and understandable to the average Joe who never dreamed of owning a game used item and remaining credible to the guys like us who are active knowledgeable participants in the hobby.

You almost can't do both and I understand this as well. They might help their cause by posting something to the veteran collectors' ranks to the extent of:

"Look, we're trying to make this show compelling to the man on the street so we may take some liberties from time to time. Please just bear with us and know that we're still maintaining the high standards you've come to expect from this company. When the cameras are off we're all business".

[Mulligans]

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Grey Flannel spends alot of time skimming the Forum, so I'm sure that they will find our comments somewhat humerous, eye opening, and maybe informative.

I have not had the opportunity to see the show , but do look forward to it. I wonder if our comments and criticisms will change their format and content any??...... I somehow doubt it.

[kesseldawg]

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Aside from being totally turned off by Richie and his love of money, am I correct that Spence said he had never seen a Mantle "Oklahoma Kid" signed ball? Thanks to this new-fangled interweb, I did a Google search that took me 4 seconds and saw that he authenticated one in 2005 for American Memorabilia at the link below:
(http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?auction_id=23490). These guys have to be careful about what they say when the average Joe can poke holes in their credibility so fast. And shouldn't Richie and his boys know how to do a Google search too? It seemed silly that Richie would fly across the country to just see James Worthy for 3 minutes. They should have coupled it with him going to see someone's pieces that they wanted to sell while he was in Los Angeles. Made it seem far less real. It won't last because he gives people the reason to have the typical stereotypes of older, out of shape. money-grubbing dealers who never even threw a ball for fun as a kid.

[joelsabi]

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I watched the show and really enjoyed it!

Look at the show from the perspective of a potential consigner or even a buyer. Would you not want the auction house to get the most for the items you send in? The more money that GF makes, the more money the consigner makes! It is in the best interest of both parties to make the item as sellable as possible. I think the show revealed that GF does all it can to maximize their profit and in turn maximizing the profit of the seller/consigner.

As a buyer, I think that it showed that GF did the best they could to make sure the consigned items were authentic. Nick Coppola supposedly has the largest collection of GU football jerseys in the world! I was told that he has a GU jersey of every HOF player. His collection is astounding as is his knowledge of the hobby, the business and the jerseys themselves.

The question that arises then-why does GF have so many questionable items? One would think that with Coppola and the rest of the GF crew authenticating these items, that 99% would be authentic and as close to photo-matched as possible.

Every auction they have many of the major NFL stars, who played over the past 30 years. The problem I have is that most are not photo-matched, most do not have any team paperwork and many have "light use". One would think that, with all of their expertise in authentication, the jerseys would be better matched to specific games etc.

I do realize that it is not easy to match up many of the older NFL shirts but it can be done to some extent. A 1993 Rice for example probably can be narrowed down to a handful of games by watching all of the games that season where the team wore that specific style and font. Also any other of the shirts characteristics such as loose threads, signs of use etc can be matched to specific games. It is not easy to do this but if it was being done on a regular basis, I would be much more apt to purchase a high end 49er star GU jersey from them.

Many people state that paperwork means very little and in many cases I agree. But if you delve deeper into the history of the sale of some of these jerseys, then you will see that many were sold with some kind of team paperwork (49ers shirts at least were). I understand that paperwork can be switched, copied etc but the mere presence of team paperwork can help identify authentic from fake.

I think the show will do well and it was quite cool to see items that had been sold in previous auctions and how these items were authenticated. i will continue to watch just to see what GF has been getting in for upcoming sales!

Always buying 49ers gamers and ALL 1994 49ers GU items! Finders fees await!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

The Wilson date code system started in 1988 with the first letter representing the year and the second letter the month. Thus:
A-1988
B-1989
C-1990
D-1991
E-1992
F-1993
G-1994
H-1995

For the months I will have to look it up as I go not remember off hand what month started with what letter. Will post it later tonight!

maybe they were looking at a GUU post.

A - last digit of the year is 8
B -9
C -0
D -1
E -2
F -3
G -4
H -5 (Note: There is no "I" in this code)
J -6
K -7

Second Letter:

Z - January
Y - February
X - March
W -April
V - May
U - June
And so on.......

[G1X]

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I noticed that he had a piece of paper, I guess with the Russell tagging codes (ie. FY) and what they meant, month/year, of the jersey. Does anyone know where to get these codes too? I gotta assume with the internet, they are lurking somewhere?

Paul, I gotta assume you know with all your 49er's jersey collection!

nickacs,

To clarify, I was referring to Nick Coppola's statement where he correctly pointed out that the size on some game-used Russell football jerseys is indicated by letters (XL, for example) instead of numbers (48, for example). I would like to add that the vast majority of game-used Russell football jerseys have numbered tagging.

The tagging code you are referencing is on Wilson football jerseys. See Paul's email for more information.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for NFL/AFL durene jerseys, World Football League jerseys, Atlanta Falcons uniforms, and any Darren Lewis and Willie McGee game-used items.

[solarlottry]

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I watched the show and really enjoyed it!

Look at the show from the perspective of a potential consigner or even a buyer. Would you not want the auction house to get the most for the items you send in? The more money that GF makes, the more money the consigner makes! It is in the best interest of both parties to make the item as sellable as possible. I think the show revealed that GF does all it can to maximize their profit and in turn maximizing the profit of the seller/consigner.

As a buyer, I think that it showed that GF did the best they could to make sure the consigned items were authentic. Nick Coppola supposedly has the largest collection of GU football jerseys in the world! I was told that he has a GU jersey of every HOF player. His collection is astounding as is his knowledge of the hobby, the business and the jerseys themselves.

The question that arises then-why does GF have so many questionable items? One would think that with Coppola and the rest of the GF crew authenticating these items, that 99% would be authentic and as close to photo-matched as possible.

Every auction they have many of the major NFL stars, who played over the past 30 years. The problem I have is that most are not photo-matched, most do not have any team paperwork and many have "light use". One would think that, with all of their expertise in authentication, the jerseys would be better matched to specific games etc.

I do realize that it is not easy to match up many of the older NFL shirts but it can be done to some extent. A 1993 Rice for example probably can be narrowed down to a handful of games by watching all of the games that season where the team wore that specific style and font. Also any other of the shirts characteristics such as loose threads, signs of use etc can be matched to specific games. It is not easy to do this but if it was being done on a regular basis, I would be much more apt to purchase a high end 49er star GU jersey from them.

Many people state that paperwork means very little and in many cases I agree. But if you delve deeper into the history of the sale of some of these jerseys, then you will see that many were sold with some kind of team paperwork (49ers shirts at least were). I understand that paperwork can be switched, copied etc but the mere presence of team paperwork can help identify authentic from fake.

I think the show will do well and it was quite cool to see items that had been sold in previous auctions and how these items were authenticated. i will continue to watch just to see what GF has been getting in for upcoming sales!

Always buying 49ers gamers and ALL 1994 49ers GU items! Finders fees await!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

The Wilson date code system started in 1988 with the first letter representing the year and the second letter the month. Thus:
A-1988
B-1989
C-1990
D-1991
E-1992
F-1993
G-1994
H-1995

For the months I will have to look it up as I go not remember off hand what month started with what letter. Will post it later tonight!

[nickacs]

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His comment about the validity of the lettered size tag on Russell jerseys and the misinformation floating around the hobby for years about lettered tagging was on the mark and literally priceless.

I noticed that he had a piece of paper, I guess with the Russell tagging codes (ie. FY) and what they meant, month/year, of the jersey. Does anyone know where to get these codes too? I gotta assume with the internet, they are lurking somewhere?

Paul, I gotta assume you know with all your 49er's jersey collection!

[slab0meat]

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Not sure what exactly I was expecting, but I was looking forward to this, and didn't find it all that interesting. Not a big fan of the guys either.

[G1X]

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I really enjoyed the show. Yes, it is scripted and a bit overbearing at times, but if you paid close attention, there were some valuable nuggets being tossed out, especially by Nick Coppola. His comment about the validity of the lettered size tag on Russell jerseys and the misinformation floating around the hobby for years about lettered tagging was on the mark and literally priceless.

I am looking forward to the next episode.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for NFL/AFL durene jerseys, World Football League jerseys, Atlanta Falcons uniforms, and any Darren Lewis and Willie McGee game-used items.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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I also enjoyed the show and the process in authenticating the Staubach jersey. Let's see: durene, fonts, photo-matches, and tagging? Yes, I'll be watching.
It's a business. Of course they want to make money for their consignors and themselves.
How often do you hear "durene" mentioned on a TV show?