Seller backs out--what would you do?

[genius]

Re: Seller backs out--what would you do?

Hopefully we read about Genius picking it up a couple years down the line.

Thank you for that, I appreciate it! I hope so too, in the meantime I have this recent pickup to "enjoy", talk about adding insult to injury! As James Belushi said though, "don't EVER lose your sense of humor!!!"

[jppopma]

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If it truly were a scam, it seems like the seller would've just taken the $20K offer (esp after genius made a big deal about not paying extra) rather than completely backing out and ending up with no $.

Even if the seller found someone else to scam, it seems like he would be perfectly content to scam TWO people into paying.

Good point Treant. As a heads up to anybody who is not familiar with these kinds of scams, they will often go to whatever means they can to get you to go along with it. These scammers will play hardball and threaten to report you to ebay, get you banned from the forum, or even threaten lawsuits to get you to go along and send payment.

I think Genius did the right things by asking for opinions on here. We all have to trust our gut on things, but we should take advantage of the great tool this forum offers in providing feedback and other opinions.

In this case, if it wasn't a scam...maybe the seller was working as a middle man and still didn't own the jersey. As the very least, there is hope that the jersey is out there somewhere. Hopefully we read about Genius picking it up a couple years down the line.

[treant985]

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If it truly were a scam, it seems like the seller would've just taken the $20K offer (esp after genius made a big deal about not paying extra) rather than completely backing out and ending up with no $.

Even if the seller found someone else to scam, it seems like he would be perfectly content to scam TWO people into paying.

[Flamechicken]

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If the rip on the right shoulder striping was repaired, then we can do the math. We may never know since the original owner of this jersey has been banned.

I took a closer look at the Getty image on their website and it appears, to me, that it's a problem with the photo negative itself, not a tear in the jersey. It looks like the "tear" carries over from the sleeve to the black part of the jersey under his arm along his side.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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As for other Greenes, I've only seen one but if I recall correctly it was highly questionable, a "cold weather" jersey that nobody could style match.

If the rip on the right shoulder striping was repaired, then we can do the math. We may never know since the original owner of this jersey has been banned.

[genius]

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I know, it's painful! I never would have sold it though so for me it was just about obtaining the item rather than ever trying for financial gain on it. The only small consolation is knowing that if I would have agreed to the additional money I could well have been asked for more money on top of that, then more on top of that, etc. Once someone backs out of one deal they can surely back out of another. It may simply have been out of my reach from the get-go with another buyer out there with deeper pockets. Only reason I could even go after it was because of a deal that Chris Cavalier at GUU helped me with a few years back and for that I'm grateful!

As for other Greenes, I've only seen one but if I recall correctly it was highly questionable, a "cold weather" jersey that nobody could style match.

[Flamechicken]

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If it is indeed a photo-match, which it definitely could be, compared to the Getty image, it seems to me that the value would increase substantially and whoever bought at 20k might have struck gold.

I've tried, with no luck, to find a photo-matched 70's Greene jersey that has recently gone to auction. Does anyone have any information to such?

Mike

[NEFAN]

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Here's my 2 cents.

If you can afford to pay $20,000 for a jersey, you can afford $100.00 for a passport, $400.00 for a flight, and $300.00 for transportation and misc costs to meet the person.

If I ever buy or sell something that large, it's always in person. If I sell anything over $2,000 it's always within driving distance because if I get ripped off, i'll be at the person's doorstep when they least expect me.

Exactly what I was going to post.

[Flamechicken]

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You could also pay about $200 in fees and put that $20,000 in an escrow account.

[kprst6]

Re: Seller backs out--what would you do?

Here's my 2 cents.

If you can afford to pay $20,000 for a jersey, you can afford $100.00 for a passport, $400.00 for a flight, and $300.00 for transportation and misc costs to meet the person.

If I ever buy or sell something that large, it's always in person. If I sell anything over $2,000 it's always within driving distance because if I get ripped off, i'll be at the person's doorstep when they least expect me.

[cohibasmoker]

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Hey, I live in NJ - if anyone has any transactions in my State but are afraid to send money to the Seller, contact me. For a small fee, I'd be the middle man. The Buyer and Seller would work out the deal with the Buyer sending me the money. Once I get the cash from the Buyer, I'd be willing to drive to the Seller's location, exchange the cash for the item and send the item to the Buyer.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[GameWornJCollector]

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@Genius.... in my opinion that was really stupid sending 20K to canada... i would've done that via ebay and paypal .. you'll get your money back there..
but I never sped 20K on a jersey...

[solarlottry]

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That does look like a photo-match! The 5 is spot on...

Regardless of the match, leagle is completely correct with regards to big ticket sales or purchases.

I learned the hard way with a high end sale that I had made, where the buyer bailed out of the purchase half-way thru. I was nice (or dumb enough) to send the buyer the jersey to "check out" and then allowed payments over time. There was never an ill intent on either parties side but when one side has financial issues and the sale cannot be completed, then both sides are in trouble. As the buyer had sent me $ over time, I spent it. When he unexpectedly bailed on the purchase, I did not have all of the cash to pay him back promptly. Thus a no win situation emerges where the failed buyer has the jersey and all of the power and the seller, who was nice enough to send it in the first place, has to come up with $ fast, to get it back. In this case things are amicable and are in the process of being resolved but it could have easily turned quite ugly fast!

In the future, unless it is someone who I know and trust, I will never send an item without being paid in full. If the buyer wants to "check out" something then some sort of escrow deal will have to be worked out in advance before I send anything. This stops problems before they start.

This hobby has its fair share of unsavory characters (the failed buyer is not such a person and he genuinely felt bad about the situation) so to give these type of people any chance of making a quick buck is not a good idea. If a deal sounds too good or too easy-it probably is.

Always buying 49er GU and ALL 1994 49er GU items!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[genius]

Re: Seller backs out--what would you do?

5 kids (ages 14 years to 7 months!) got in the way of that idea! Oh to be single and free to spend away on g/u and take off at a moment's notice...wait a minute there's no way I would want that! Plus I'm building a great inventory of all my kids' g/u items for when they hit the big leagues. Or, for when I finally finish the basement. I keep every shirt!

Obviously all concerns and comments are valid on this type of transaction but it's still a tough defeat to take, this one would have been taken care of and would have been on public display someday if I could have gotten my hands on it. But darnit I'm going to keep looking, there may be others out there! I appreciate all of the replies on this thread, even though hope is pretty much lost with this particular item it helped to see other perspectives on it. For what it's worth I did a transaction through GUU a couple of years ago that enabled me to establish a fund so that I could make a run at this sort of item!

[legaleagle92481]

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I'm curious how you know that the jersey actually exists? Anyone can pull pictures from old auctions and claim they own anything. The fact that the seller asked for funds to be wired makes me believe the entire situation was a phishing scam.

agree 100%. i am still mind boogled how some people are so trusting. all my big dollar transactions and none have been close to 20k were with some sort of protection, whether it was via ebay, an auction house, etc. if i was spending 20k under these facts i think the only safe way would be to meet the seller in person somehow examine the jersey in person then tender the funds once ones satisfied and immediately take possession of the jersey. heck whats cost of a plane flight when your spending 20k?