Dan Lozano memorabilia deals with Kevin Freistat dba KLF Sports: Indiscretions showing up with Votto

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  • dplettn
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 645

    #16
    Re: Dan Lozano memorabilia deals with Kevin Freistat dba KLF Sports: Indiscretions showing up with Votto

    Originally posted by AWA85
    Dan, what information is out there that doesn't point to Joey just wanting to make some more money? He has been doing this since his days in the minor leagues when he was with various other game used companies (Just, PCM, Lockeroom Memorabilia for example).

    All of the players are aware that jerseys and game used items sold from the Reds go to a charity. Many of the players have stated how cool it is they help raise money for the Reds Community Fund, so I find it hard to believe that Joey was unaware or lead down a different path by somebody else. The money is there and he chose to take items such as the alternate jersey out on his own to be dealt.

    JV had enough perspective to realize that the further money north of $20 million a year isn't worth sacrificing a positive environment for when he chose all the good which comes with being a Cincinnati Red over leaving for a salary/endorsement richer city (ie: West Coast like Pujols or NYC like Arod). I certainly don't ignore that when considering what Votto's priorities were/are whenever he gives any matter thought. My guess on this memorabilia situation is that it comes down to him not having thought about it independently.

    I understand the observations others are making with regard to Votto's tendencies from years prior. Granted, habits can be hard to break. But the organizational culture has changed in the stuff being distributed effectively by the Reds for a good cause. And, it's a different thing (with relevance to the player's pocket) to pocket some spending money when a guy is on a six figure vs an eight figure salary.

    Again, I believe this is primarily an issue with who is stewarding him not knowing when being penny-focused becomes pound foolish. That's not to say he won't be the one who is victimized for it. It is not Dan Lozano's graceful dignity and endorsement value at stake.

    Do you really think any guy making eight figures and endorsement prospects worth more would do such things for chump change if he was independently thinking about it or well stewarded?

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    • jshortt
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 154

      #17
      Re: Dan Lozano memorabilia deals with Kevin Freistat dba KLF Sports: Indiscretions showing up with Votto

      I can tell you this, Joey has offered the Reds first crack to purchase the stuff that goes to KLF (gloves, etc.). They are given a list with items Joey is making available and cost to purchase each. They pass because of the pricing. Votto knows EXACTLY what he is doing here, and despite all the evidence to the contrary, you still feel he is being taken advantage of. I'm lost as to what is making you believe he is being led astray by Lozano like he's some sort of master jedi, using the mind trick on this young, impressionable, naive athlete.

      I like Joey a lot. He's a good guy, and has always been very good to me, but he is very much a professional when it comes to the autographs, inscriptions & game used stuff. I have had conversations with him where he has asked me how much his stuff is going for in various markets. He didn't take ALL his jerseys this year. He let Reds Authentics keep at least 4 that I know of, and I'm sure in his mind, that was $6000-$12,000 the RCF made from his jerseys. He took his playoff jerseys (which a player of his stature is currently allowed to do), and did what he pleased with them. In this instance, what he wanted to do was sell at least one of them. If he didn't want to sell his gear, he wouldn't. It's as simple as that. And who knows, maybe one day he'll turn into Junior and start hoarding all his stuff, but for now, he is choosing to sell it and you can like it or hate it. The choice of whether to make a moral stand and abstain from buying is on you. But believe me, somebody else will always be there, ready to pony up the dough to have the item in their collection.

      -Josh

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      • justinwc80
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 492

        #18
        Re: Dan Lozano memorabilia deals with Kevin Freistat dba KLF Sports: Indiscretions showing up with Votto

        In the end we are all fans and that will always make you biased. As much as you want to believe that your favorite player is a naive pawn they aren't. Individuals are responsible for their own decisions in the end. I think a lot of Votto but he is an adult and sports at this level, as much as I hate to admit it, are a business.

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