Greed in this hobby

[astros5.7]

Re: Greed in this hobby

To me, the main problem in this hobby is fraud, not flipping items. If you have ever bought an item and sold it for profit, then you flipped it. To act like you are different because you don't do this as often, or you feel like you do this for a more noble reason is a joke. Also, anyone who attempts to flip an item is taking a risk; who knows if they will be successful or turn a profit.

Getting back to what I feel is the main problem...people selling bad, faked, or forged items. A lot of people on this forum are happy to call out an individual for selling bad items, yet a month later they are right back to buying and selling with the person who was caught forging. Apparently it is "immoral" to flip items, but perfectly acceptable to buy and sell with thieves as long as they have the item wanted or the cash needed.

Any time you do business with someone known to sell forged merchandise, you are perpetuating their business and fraudulent activities. So instead of criticizing those who flip items, which is perfectly legal, how about taking a real stand and not doing business with known thieves.

[slats7]

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dalcowbill is one of the worst "profiteers." Just pay me almost four times what I shelled out for it and it's yours!

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=151217&lotIdNo=21005

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DALLAS-COWBOYS-STEVE-WILSON-BAD-LUCK-BLUE-GAME-USED-GAME-WORN-JERSEY-/380432549335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58938c05d7

[hairyangryfella]

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Good to see that there are some varying opinions about this kind of stuff...

I also find it quite amusing that his item description is just that from the auction, no effort put in at all

[jppopma]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also). I've also had my kids trampled and push out of the way by these type, only to see the same jersey they needed SOOO bad listed on ebay 2 days later.

Not jealous at all, and there are plenty of other jerseys in the sea...but I can't get over how many people have no decency and how many others condone their acts as being "business"

[Mark17]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also).

Can you please explain to me, in this scenario, how you got "burned"?

You seem to think you had some sort of moral claim to whatever item you are talking about. How does that work? If the asking price was too high, turn down the offer.

[tella27]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also). I've also had my kids trampled and push out of the way by these type, only to see the same jersey they needed SOOO bad listed on ebay 2 days later.

Not jealous at all, and there are plenty of other jerseys in the sea...but I can't get over how many people have no decency and how many others condone their acts as being "business"

I don't think you can group together selling an item for profit and having no respect or common courtesy towards other people. I've met collectors that never sell anything but try and lowball everyone over every item. Every person is different in they way they handle things. Everyone keeps coming back to saying someone tried to sell them something for twice as much as it sold for and so on. Where do you get off telling someone that just because they paid "x" amount for something that's the price they have to sell it to you for? This is such a joke - if you don't like the price don't buy. Don't be mad at someone because they found a deal on an item that you wish you had come across first. The hunt is part of the fun - when you find something that was a great deal is an awesome feeling. So many haters - if you don't like the price move on and keep looking. If its a rare item its going to cost more - its up to the buyer to decide if that price matches how much they want an item. I've over paid for items that I really wanted.. Supply and demand..

[woodward30]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also). I've also had my kids trampled and push out of the way by these type, only to see the same jersey they needed SOOO bad listed on ebay 2 days later.

Not jealous at all, and there are plenty of other jerseys in the sea...but I can't get over how many people have no decency and how many others condone their acts as being "business"

Burned? You committed to the seller's price? Unless the item turns out to be fake, how are you being burned here? You agreed to the seller's price.

[philliephyl]

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Something that I have seen a couple of times is guys buy something with vague history of item and then turn to sell it with a very detailed history but no proof.

like I saw a juan castro phillies road jersey sold as mlb authenticated as team issued. it was from 2011. he made the last out in roy halladay's perfect game. There's a chance that could have been the jersey since he was only a phillie for like a month. but then it got turned and the new seller said it was no doubt worn in that game. Wouldn't give out the mlb authenticated number, and kept saying he bought it in a special phillies auction that was just items from roy halladay's perfect game. and of course the guy lost his receipt and all the paperwork about this special auction.

[woodward30]

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An example of a dealer finding an opportunity and flipping for a huge profit. Say what you want about jerseys4thewin, but I would have done the same thing as he did, but I was like 30 minutes too late to the original auction. jerseys4thewin beat me to it.

Original seller didn't fully know the value of the item and offered this 1970 Phillies game used flannel for $70 Buy It Now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-vintage-Phillies-44-Game-Used-Worn-HomeJersey-/290925573923?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43bc83f723&nma=true&si=83toTNgxKqvq82YFhQuuY437%252F28%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

jerseys4thewin sold it for $1275 (over a 1800% return).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GAME-USED-WORN-JOHNNY-BRIGGS-PHILADELPHIA-PHILLIES-1970-WILSON-JERSEY-SET-2-RARE-/140996359328?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d409b4a0&nma=true&si=83toTNgxKqvq82YFhQuuY437%252F28%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Just someone taking advantage of an opportunity. Nothing greedy about it.

[arjos]

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I am on your side Hairy guy. here is a good example: Ever time I try to buy GU items from the S.F. Giants GU online service someone always beats me to the good stuff. It is suppose to be first come first serve but no matter how fast I put out my email, it is never fast enough. And where do a lot of these items end up? You guessed it EBAY! If you want an item for your collection and you can afford more then me then more power to you. but just grabbing everything for greed sake just doesn't sit right with me either. I'm not interested in what things are worth just in the joy of collecting. If your just a middle man that I got no love for ya.

[arjos]

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good point Astros 5.7. while I don't care for the greed of some people the fraudulent ones are the worst of the worst. All I ask for is to get what I pay for. Those people are ruining a great hobby

[yanks12025]

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An example of a dealer finding an opportunity and flipping for a huge profit. Say what you want about jerseys4thewin, but I would have done the same thing as he did, but I was like 30 minutes too late to the original auction. jerseys4thewin beat me to it.

Original seller didn't fully know the value of the item and offered this 1970 Phillies game used flannel for $70 Buy It Now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-vintage-Phillies-44-Game-Used-Worn-HomeJersey-/290925573923?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43bc83f723&nma=true&si=83toTNgxKqvq82YFhQuuY437%252F28%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

jerseys4thewin sold it for $1275 (over a 1800% return).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GAME-USED-WORN-JOHNNY-BRIGGS-PHILADELPHIA-PHILLIES-1970-WILSON-JERSEY-SET-2-RARE-/140996359328?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d409b4a0&nma=true&si=83toTNgxKqvq82YFhQuuY437%252F28%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Just someone taking advantage of an opportunity. Nothing greedy about it.

Man that was a great steal.

[beaglegypsy003]

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I collect what I enjoy. Even if it is a common and I want it for my collection, I may pay a price that another may see as outrageous. I rarely sell anything but I do trade with other collectors. The price I pay is what I can afford or in some cases how bad I want it. That is my choice. I once made an offer on a common player jersey. I was turned down and given a counter offer which I thought was too high. After several months the jersey still hasn't sold and he is now asking less than what I offered. I've since moved on to other purchases and it is still on ebay.

[toddhead]

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So everybody who has money works hard for it? Last time I checked, plenty of people end up wealthy through inheritance. A lot of our financial state is due to pure luck, plain and simple...

That is why I mentioned only those who work hard for their money. Please feel free to jump all over those who "lucked" into it...

[metsbats]

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There certainly are a lot of dealers (and wannabe dealers) out there buying (or sniping) ebay items only to relist them a week or so later at bloated prices. I've had this happen to me a few times too. I don't consider this wrong as it free enterprise. Sure I would have loved to have that bat for $400 in my collection but instead see it listed on ebay for $2400 or best offer for the last year with no bites. Sometimes sniping pays but not all the time for the dealer. Is it annoying yes but it's the playing field we play on.