Value of Pujols game used bat

[onlyalbert]

Re: Value of Pujols game used bat

From Sports Collector's Digest:

Game-used Bats

“X” Bats with Dominican Flag and Mizuno Bats: To put two of the biggest game-used Pujols bat myths to rest immediately, Todd Perry (executive director of the Pujols Family Foundation) has confirmed that Albert Pujols has never used a Mizuno bat or a “X” bat with the Dominican Flag above the handle in a major league game. According to Perry, “Albert said he did receive a batch of X bats with the Dominican Flag, but the entire unused batch was given to Mike Matheny” (presumably to auction for his Catch-22 Foundation). Only one photo of Pujols holding a Mizuno bat has been found, and it was a black model without his name on the barrel (before he broke in with the Cardinals in 2001).

- See more at: http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.co....tVCg27B4.dpuf

The statement about Pujols only using a black Mizuno is not entirely correct. I have a photo of him using a natual color Mizuno that was Ray Lankford's bat with Lankford's name on it in ST of 2001. The photo is not mine so I won't post it, but if the owner sees this and wants to post it he will. Just an FYI.

[rj_lucas]

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The statement about Pujols only using a black Mizuno is not entirely correct. I have a photo of him using a natual color Mizuno that was Ray Lankford's bat with Lankford's name on it in ST of 2001. The photo is not mine so I won't post it, but if the owner sees this and wants to post it he will. Just an FYI.

I think Todd Perry is referencing the fact that Albert has never used a Pujols branded Mizuno, which is what the fakes generally are. There's speculation that he also used a Mike Piazza branded Mizuno in 2001.

See this GUU thread from 2005:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/archive/index.php/t-682.html

You'll note that, as with the X Bat, PSA has authenticated Pujols branded Mizuno bats as used by him, despite Albert and his staff stating he has never used them. Appears to be a common theme emerging...

[Soonerfan65]

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I think Todd Perry is referencing the fact that Albert has never used a Pujols branded Mizuno, which is what the fakes generally are. There's speculation that he also used a Mike Piazza branded Mizuno in 2001.

See this GUU thread from 2005:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/archive/index.php/t-682.html

You'll note that, as with the X Bat, PSA has authenticated Pujols branded Mizuno bats as used by him, despite Albert and his staff stating he has never used them. Appears to be a common theme emerging...

Hence my dilemma; I really don't know what to think about this bat.

[Hoosier39]

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Sorry if someone already brought this up, but here is one that Bushing authenticated:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auctions/AuctionItem?AuctionId=4148&t=&p=0

And another one, I think, that was graded a 4:

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=48022&lotIdNo=1006

One more, even though it wasn't really authenticated:

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7041&lotIdNo=377002

[Hoosier39]

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And I'm not saying anything is real or bogus, just giving examples

[helf35]

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Is it likely he could have used it some point during spring training?

[rj_lucas]

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Hence my dilemma; I really don't know what to think about this bat.

Albert and his people say these bats are fake. In 10+ years not one shred of evidence has been produced that Albert used a X Bat featuring a Dominican flag.

I don't understand your confusion. The bat is fake.

I suggest you contact John Taube of PSA directly (john@gameusedbats.com). As Chris Cavalier noted in a previous thread, John generally responds to emails.

If you receive a response, please post it here, as I know there are a number of collectors who would be interested in reading it.

[plinvestments]

Re: Value of Pujols game used bat

Albert and his people say these bats are fake. In 10+ years not one shred of evidence has been produced that Albert used a X Bat featuring a Dominican flag.

I don't understand your confusion. The bat is fake.

I suggest you contact John Taube of PSA directly (john@gameusedbats.com). As Chris Cavalier noted in a previous thread, John generally responds to emails.

If you receive a response, please post it here, as I know there are a number of collectors who would be interested in reading it.

Just to clarify your post, the bat is not fake. It seems like Pujols did order a batch of these bats and gave them to Matheny. They are pro model bats with use that cannot be attributed to Albert.

[rj_lucas]

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Just to clarify your post, the bat is not fake. It seems like Pujols did order a batch of these bats and gave them to Matheny. They are pro model bats with use that cannot be attributed to Albert.

If we define 'not fake' as meaning the wooden blank wasn't turned by Joe Schmoe on his garage lathe, then fair enough.

At the risk of splitting hairs, we don't know that these bats were ordered by Pujols. Todd Perry simply states they were 'received' by him. Entirely possible, in fact likely, they were sent to him as unsolicited samples.

Either way, I'm sure you'd agree it's quite a leap to get from there to an authentication letter stating the bat was used by Albert Pujols.

[spartanservitto]

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If I'm buying a pujols bat , I'm going with an autographed model with perfect characteristics or a bat sourced from Albert. Given the price it's definitely worth it for provenance, just my two cents.

-Tony

[Soonerfan65]

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Albert and his people say these bats are fake. In 10+ years not one shred of evidence has been produced that Albert used a X Bat featuring a Dominican flag.

I don't understand your confusion. The bat is fake.

I suggest you contact John Taube of PSA directly (john@gameusedbats.com). As Chris Cavalier noted in a previous thread, John generally responds to emails.

If you receive a response, please post it here, as I know there are a number of collectors who would be interested in reading it.

I have talked to John Taube on 2 different occasions and have been sending emails back and forth; I have also presented him with the information that the fine collectors of this forum have provided me and for that I thank all of you. I have also been in contact with Will at Heroes of Sports(where I obtained the bat-it was a redemption in their product) and he has assured me that he will make it right for me. Right now the ball is in John Taube's court as he is supposed to be doing more research on this item. At some point the bat may be sent back to him but right now I still have it.

Although I am not a baseball collector, I have collected cards and memorabilia on and off for over 20 years. Two things I have found out are that 1. Players are not always correct when authenticating their items. 2. 3rd party authenticators do make mistakes. I will update when I hear something back from John Taube.

Again I do thank you all for the input. John

[Soonerfan65]

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I should clarify that Will has told me that if the bat is no good that he will make it right for me even if that means buying the bat back from me. When he got it to put in their product it was already PSA authenticated.

[Soonerfan65]

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So that's 3 different bats and the one I got would make 4;how many of these Dominican Flag bats are out there? If it's true that Pujols never used these then how come so many authenticators are unaware of this? Shouldn't they be doing more research? This is turning into a nightmare

[spartanservitto]

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Never jump the gun on Albert bat, rule number one.

[beachpetrol]

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Never jump the gun on Albert bat, rule number one.

Ain't that the truth. Ask the Angels LOL.