Baseball HOF 2014

[KGoldin]

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as I said....Maddux, Glavine and Thomas....

[EricTheRed44]

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Pete Rose was a scumbag who compromised the game of baseball and broke the cardinal rule of gambling on the sport. He knew what he was doing was wrong and illegal. The steroid guys were just keeping up with everybody else and doing something that was not even tested for or considered illegal by MLB, some would argue that MLB even promoted the use.
Rose should not be let in before the steroid guys.

Pudge is 100% a steroid guy and 100% should be in the Hall. An incredible catcher playing in that Arlington heat every year.

The best of the best go into the Hall of Fame. The steroid guys were the best of the steroid guys. It all sorts itself out. Juan Gonzalez, Albert Belle, Luis Gonzalez, Brady Anderson and on and on, had great years but did not sustain the greatness. Guys like Sheffield, mentally and physically kept at it long enough to become Hall of Famers.

It's a joke if you have a ton of roiders in the game and not the Hit King. Guys like Bonds tarnished the game for the all-time greats. If you have a kid and he looks in a sports almanac he's going to think Bonds, Sosa and McGwire were better than players like Ruth, Mantle and Mays. Its idiotic to say let the roiders in and you keep Rose out. Petes actions didn't change the outcome of any games while the history of the game was changed by men who cheated it by using roids.

[gorilla777]

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In 1999 - you had Ryan, Brett and Cepeda... not sure if three have gone in together since then...

Yes, and it seems ridiculous to me. Look at football, inducting 10 at a time, if they are deserving. I don't get the restrictions they have, max votes, etc. It ultimately will cost deserving guys that get overlooked unfairly....

[xpress34]

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I don't know how long it's been since they voted in three players in a year, but I know they haven't voted in four players since the '50s.

I think Maddux is a lock, and one other - either Glavine, Biggio or Thomas. My preference would be for Biggio. The other two are deserving, but all things considered, I don't believe that more than two will be selected at a time. Maybe they should - I just don't think they will.

If I were the Commissioner of Baseball, my first official act would be to reverse the call that kept Armando Galarraga from his Perfecto. My second would be to clear the way for Pete Rose to do or be anything in Baseball he wanted. My third would be to inform the HOF that the day Barry Bonds is installed there, their ties to MLB would be irrevocably dissolved.

In 1999 - you had Ryan, Brett and Cepeda... not sure if three have gone in together since then...

[jbsportstuff]

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If you are looking for the best of the best, you cannot overlook Pete Rose.

[Nnunnari]

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Pete Rose was a scumbag who compromised the game of baseball and broke the cardinal rule of gambling on the sport. He knew what he was doing was wrong and illegal. The steroid guys were just keeping up with everybody else and doing something that was not even tested for or considered illegal by MLB, some would argue that MLB even promoted the use.
Rose should not be let in before the steroid guys.

Pudge is 100% a steroid guy and 100% should be in the Hall. An incredible catcher playing in that Arlington heat every year.

The best of the best go into the Hall of Fame. The steroid guys were the best of the steroid guys. It all sorts itself out. Juan Gonzalez, Albert Belle, Luis Gonzalez, Brady Anderson and on and on, had great years but did not sustain the greatness. Guys like Sheffield, mentally and physically kept at it long enough to become Hall of Famers.

[godwulf]

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I don't know how long it's been since they voted in three players in a year, but I know they haven't voted in four players since the '50s.

I think Maddux is a lock, and one other - either Glavine, Biggio or Thomas. My preference would be for Biggio. The other two are deserving, but all things considered, I don't believe that more than two will be selected at a time. Maybe they should - I just don't think they will.

If I were the Commissioner of Baseball, my first official act would be to reverse the call that kept Armando Galarraga from his Perfecto. My second would be to clear the way for Pete Rose to do or be anything in Baseball he wanted. My third would be to inform the HOF that the day Barry Bonds is installed there, their ties to MLB would be irrevocably dissolved.

[swainer]

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I think it is a shame that no player from the 84 Tigers is in the HOF. I hope Morris changes that. I'm probably biased but I think Parrish, Tram and Sweet Lou should be in as well.

Peace!

John

[gorilla777]

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This is a good article by Jayson Stark at ESPN discussing the voting issues:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10253089/jayson-stark-2014-mlb-hall-fame-ballot

[3arod13]

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The announcement will be at 11am PST, so we shall see. It would make perfect sense if they voted in Maddux, Thomas, Glavine, Morris and Biggio. But that might be too many for many of these sports writers and their heads will spontaneously combust....

Ben

Still bugs me that there are 97 of the 104 out there who tested positive in 2003, and we will never know who they are, and they could easily get into the HOF.

What a mess!

[gorilla777]

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The announcement will be at 11am PST, so we shall see. It would make perfect sense if they voted in Maddux, Thomas, Glavine, Morris and Biggio. But that might be too many for many of these sports writers and their heads will spontaneously combust....

Ben

[3arod13]

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I believe 7 of the 104 who tested positive in 2003 are known. So it will always be on my mind, who are the other 97 that tested positive? Will any of those 97 get into the HOF?

For me, there are those players who used and weren't going to become HOF players. And there are those who used and were going to become HOF players.

Do I believe using helped. Yes! Brady Anderson proved that.

Cheating in baseball to get an edge has been going on for years and years, in many different ways. Anytime you do something that gives you an unfair edge against another player/team, is cheating.

This discussion will go on forever!

[plinvestments]

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Jeff Kent deserves to get in but it won't happen this year. I just hope he gets enough votes to stay on the ballot and that goes for Mussina too.

[Roady]

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Wow. Not being defensive. You brought up Rodriguez and suspicion so I gave my opinion. The 3 names that I mentioned(I actually forgot Sheffield) have all had the same suspicion in some levels, just curious why you pointed out Rodriguez. It seemed like you aren't very high on Pudge, perhaps to even vote for him, so I asked you if you would vote for the others.

No problem. Didn't realize my post was going to upset you.

Not upset.

[sportsnbikes]

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I dont agree with letting proven roiders in. But if we're opening the door for people who cheated, then you have to let Pete Rose in first. I'm the first to say what he did was idiotic and wrong, but if you allow people in who's numbers were improved by roids then you have to let Pete in (with his possibly corked bat).

If someone like Bonds gets in before Pete its a joke.

I agree Rose should be in. Pretty silly he isn't already. After all, he was betting as a manager. He wasn't going to be in the Hall as a manager. His player numbers gets him in and as far as it is known, he wasn't betting as a player.