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I dont agree with letting proven roiders in. But if we're opening the door for people who cheated, then you have to let Pete Rose in first. I'm the first to say what he did was idiotic and wrong, but if you allow people in who's numbers were improved by roids then you have to let Pete in (with his possibly corked bat).
If someone like Bonds gets in before Pete its a joke.
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Wow. Not being defensive. You brought up Rodriguez and suspicion so I gave my opinion. The 3 names that I mentioned(I actually forgot Sheffield) have all had the same suspicion in some levels, just curious why you pointed out Rodriguez. It seemed like you aren't very high on Pudge, perhaps to even vote for him, so I asked you if you would vote for the others.
No problem. Didn't realize my post was going to upset you.Leave a comment:
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There are so many arguments and reasons why the players who are suspected SHOULD be included.
Looking back at history, how many "cheaters", proven or otherwise are in the Hall. A few that come to mind are Perry, Ford, Cobb, McGraw and Greenburg. Even Mantle was known to get an infection in 1961 after receiving a steroid injection.
Tom House admits widespread use of steroids in the 60's & 70's. Here is the article. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ds-house_x.htm
Many players have also admitted to using amphetamines or "Red Juice" including Mike Schmidt. Here is an article addressing that.
I don't see how any of these supplements is any different than steroids in the mid 90's up until testing and when it was made illegal in baseball. They were all illegal by law but not necessarily in the sport. Cepada is in and he got in AFTER getting popped for cocaine. Cocaine use was also rampant when it was the popular drug in the mid 70's and 80's. I think it's still used by several players and know of a few players who used it in the last several years. Known cheaters in ways other than steroids are in the hall i.e. Perry. Cheating is cheating. If you let someone in for one thing, you have to let them all in, regardlesss of how they cheated.
Were Clemens and many of the others ever proven to have used any substance? Many players have been deemed guilty by association. That is completely unfair. In the past, players with 3000 hits were automatic. Biggio still isn't in and that's pretty silly. He wasn't popping 40 or 50 HR's a year.
I say let em in!!!Leave a comment:
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I didn't mean to take the conversation away from the original intent.
Maybe we can revisit this when Rodriguez is due to be voted on.
Please carry on.
And Hoosier39 you can reply if you like to my last post but I will not post about Rodriguez in this thread again.Leave a comment:
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I never said I would or wouldn't vote for him. I never said if he should be or shouldn't be in the HOF one day. Pure conjecture on your part.
Your post is a perfect example of what I asked about. You are defensive about him. Why?
The post's about Piazza is why I was asking why everyone seems to ignore the questions about Rodriguez.
They question many with much less suspension than he has surrounding him so it seems very odd. Piazza is constantly brought up when talking about PED's.
I believe it has a lot to do with the money many have spent on his merchandise and not wanting to see that investment take a hit. Just my opinion.
I have no idea if you have any of his stuff so I don't know what your defensive about.
Besides being one of the greatest all around catchers ever as you put it, why can't we discuss his possible PED use without people getting upset?Leave a comment:
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That was a great story about Maddux.
He was always pure class.Leave a comment:
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I'd agree on Glavine, Maddux and Biggio. Probably Big Hurt as well, although I think he'll take a few years possibly. Edgar Martinez I never really liked for one reason or another, but he was on the West Coast and I rarely saw him play. I grew up going to Reds games and saw Maddux and Glavine more times than I'd like to remember.
In the mid 90's I was in my teens and had seats right where the pitchers warmed up on the visitors side at Riverfront Stadium. I somewhat heckled Maddux because he was wearing glasses and made some dumb comment asking him if he was going to turn into Superman when he took the glasses off. Sure enough... he did. I think he gave up one run and dominated. When he came off the field he was a few feet away from me and winked... That was the first and last time I tried being a smart ass to a visiting pitcher.Leave a comment:
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One more thing about Ivan Rodriguez I remember is when asked if he a was on the list of 100 he said "Only God knows".Leave a comment:
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I know he is not on the ballot this year but I can't understand all the love and blindness to Ivan Rodriguez.
If anyone can suspected of PED use it would be him. He was mentioned by Canseco and others if I am not mistaken. Not to mention he played with Juan Gonzalez and others during their PED days.Leave a comment:
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I think this guy is just trying to get interviews on national programming and get his article circulated, there is no way to justify his vote.Leave a comment:
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Best thing about this link was the Justified preview!
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Take this guys ability to vote away please....
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Everybody has to be let in, plain and simple. If Biggio or Piazza tried juicing for a few weeks one offseason but didn't like it and quit, are they as guilty as Clemens and Bonds? Where do you draw the line?
Everybody needs to get in, including the Crime Dog who's one of the real victims here.Leave a comment:
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