Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

[tella27]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

You're welcome. Also in post 45 of that thread, Nick from Celebz clearly explains their LOA situation and the fact they make COPIES of their LOAs. Tella27 obviously didn't do any homework.

They make their own COAs worded their own way and then add a facsimile signature of the player to fool people into thinking the coa is signed by the player authenticating the item as being what was wrote. They say they can't get them to sign every coa but if they are there with them while they are signing why not take a picture of the player with the item? The player doesn't have to do anything. The people that stand up for these questionable practices are the same people that have gleaming white jerseys - that look like they have never been worn - marked game used in their collections. Companies like Celebz continue to do this know those same people will continue to purchase from them. And beachpetrol you should read the original post and read that I bought the jersey from hgp - it's since been returned for a refund thanks to Paypal.

[Hoosier39]

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In tella's defense, and for those that are really caring about sigs or copies, Celebz used to have real sigs of the player on every LOA in the beginning. They have since stopped around last yr or so and went with the copy sig.

[tella27]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

In tella's defense, and for those that are really caring about sigs or copies, Celebz used to have real sigs of the player on every LOA in the beginning. They have since stopped around last yr or so and went with the copy sig.

The biggest issue is the hpg sold it with the wording that it came with a signed coa from player.

[beachpetrol]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

The biggest issue is the hpg sold it with the wording that it came with a signed coa from player.

Is this the JC Romero jersey you bought from hgpdiamond:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JC-Romero-2012-St-Louis-Cardinals-GAME-USED-AUTOGRAPH-JERSEY-World-Series-/121380988964?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c42dee824&nma=true&si=ug%252BpTTeKyf3iVSWNHV3gqRt8Erw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[tella27]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

Is this the JC Romero jersey you bought from hgpdiamond:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JC-Romero-20...p2047675.l2557

Yes and I asked if the coa was signed or a copied coa and I was told the hgp doesn't use copied COAs - the coa had a facsimile signature and it was returned.

[fredskinz]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

For what its worth, I have bought numerous items from Scot at Celebz and have been 100% happy with each item. He's a standup guy in my book.

[beachpetrol]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

Yes and I asked if the coa was signed or a copied coa and I was told the hgp doesn't use copied COAs - the coa had a facsimile signature and it was returned.

Right. Hgpdiamond does not use copied COAs. Celebz Direct does. There are two photos of the COA in the auction, and they clearly say Celebz Direct on the COA.

You say your biggest problem with hgpdiamond is the "wording that it came with a signed coa from player." Nowhere in their auction does it say the COA is SIGNED by the player.

But what is even more interesting is this....http://www.ebay.com/itm/JC-Romero-St...p2047675.l2557

If you claimed that the jersey showed no use, then why did you try to resell it as game used?

[tella27]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

Right. Hgpdiamond does not use copied COAs. Celebz Direct does. There are two photos of the COA in the auction, and they clearly say Celebz Direct on the COA.

You say your biggest problem with hgpdiamond is the "wording that it came with a signed coa from player." Nowhere in their auction does it say the COA is SIGNED by the player.

But what is even more interesting is this....http://www.ebay.com/itm/JC-Romero-St...p2047675.l2557

If you claimed that the jersey showed no use, then why did you try to resell it as game used?

Read my last post guy - I CONTACTED Hgp PRIOR to buying and was told they don't use copied COAs. Scot tried to get around the fact that the coa had a facsimile signature. Obviously it was seen that it said Celebz Direct but I wasn't aware that CD started using copies. I did have it listed as it was described to me UNTIL I found out that it wasn't a genuine signature from him on the coa. Once that was discovered I pulled the listing and contacted Paypal for a return. Just like on my Wieters glove post - you just try and cause issues. You ran your mouth saying I tried to defraud someone out of money just to be shut up and proven wrong. Go troll another thread, I'm trying to help other collectors and you're just trying to cause issues.

[beachpetrol]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

Read my last post guy - I CONTACTED Hgp PRIOR to buying and was told they don't use copied COAs. Scot tried to get around the fact that the coa had a facsimile signature. Obviously it was seen that it said Celebz Direct but I wasn't aware that CD started using copies. I did have it listed as it was described to me UNTIL I found out that it wasn't a genuine signature from him on the coa. Once that was discovered I pulled the listing and contacted Paypal for a return. Just like on my Wieters glove post - you just try and cause issues. You ran your mouth saying I tried to defraud someone out of money just to be shut up and proven wrong. Go troll another thread, I'm trying to help other collectors and you're just trying to cause issues.

I did read your last post and maybe you don't understand that hgpdiamond doesn't issue the COAs. Celebz Direct does. Hence why hgpdiamond does not issue copied COAs. Its really nice to know that you knew ahead of time that the jersey did not have any use, yet for the good part of two weeks you tried to sell it on ebay as game used. Nice. Glad you are a part of this great collecting community.

[tella27]

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I did read your last post and maybe you don't understand that hgpdiamond doesn't issue the COAs. Celebz Direct does. Hence why hgpdiamond does not issue copied COAs. Its really nice to know that you knew ahead of time that the jersey did not have any use, yet for the good part of two weeks you tried to sell it on ebay as game used. Nice. Glad you are a part of this great collecting community.

AGAIN guy I said until I found out that the signature wasn't a genuine signature on the coa FROM the player, I was selling it as it was stated on the jersey and coa GAME USED. Prior to my purchase I asked the seller HGP if the signature on the coa was a copy and Scot from hpg replied "Hgp doesn't use copied COAs" this goes along with Scot saying that hpg and CD were sister companies. With all of that I took it as it was a genuine signature on the coa from Romero and even with the appearance of the jersey I took it as genuine since I believe the coa stating it was game used was signed by Romero. Once I found out that CD uses copies I looked at the coa more closely and found it was a facsimile. Once I believed the authenticity of the jersey was in question I pulled the listing - something I've already stated in prior posts on this thread. If you have other feelings about HGP then purchase from them.

[Hoosier39]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

I've seen a lot of tricky stuff go on, and in no way am I pointing fingers, but it kind of looks like you weren't happy with the jersey(use, COA) and tried to pawn it off to someone else on Ebay.

[tella27]

Re: Celebz Direct & Hgpdiamond Questionable business practices

I've seen a lot of tricky stuff go on, and in no way am I pointing fingers, but it kind of looks like you weren't happy with the jersey(use, COA) and tried to pawn it off to someone else on Ebay.

You are wrong - as soon as I found out it wasn't genuine I contacted Paypal and returned it. You are assuming things and the opinion that you are voicing is wrong.

[Hoosier39]

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You are wrong - as soon as I found out it wasn't genuine I contacted Paypal and returned it. You are assuming things and the opinion that you are voicing is wrong.

No problem. From the outside looking in, that's the opinion I have..

[tella27]

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All I've tried to do is let people know the shady practices hgp is building their business on. I bought a jersey from hgp - before buying I asked if the signature on the coa was from Romero. Hgp said two things 1) they are sister companies with CD and 2) hgp doesn't use copies. He skated around the fact the CD does use copies. I bought the jersey from hgp thinking everything was genuine trusting the coa. I found out after that it was a facsimile signature. I don't understand the assumption that I found out, was unhappy and then listed it for LESS than what I paid - must have gotten tired of waiting to take LESS for it and then returned it for my original paid amount. As soon as it was found to be a facsimile I contacted CD to find out if they started using copied COAs and then contacted hgp and Paypal to get a return. The day I found all this out I posted on here to warn other members.

This is why people don't post as much on here - there are always a couple members that try to create issues.

[tella27]

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This is my last post on this thread - it's from Celebz Direct after I informed them that hgp was saying they were sister companies and possibly hurting their business..

Dear otisvr6,

Thank you for the response. Of course he knows us by name as do hundreds of other collectors and re-sellers that buy from us... Last communication I had with Steve stated that he should not refer to us as any sort of sister company because we are not and that he needs to take care of his buyer and resolve whatever the issue may be...

- celebzdirect22