Players with over priced gamers

[panthrotc]

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All three are cheaters and NEVER will get in the hall of fame. So yes it's supid for their items to go for that much.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the REALITY is many people who pay good money for rare items of guys that did juice do not give 2 sh#ts whether that player is/ will get into in the hall of fame . So since an item is rare for that player , just because he did roids that item can't go for premium money ??

Your comment is uneducated and bad generalization of the way prices are determined. I've collected mcgwire since 89'. Never mattered to me whether he ever got in. Nor would I ever care of what was in his body. Rare items of a player will always be desired regardless. Those "tainted" guys still have MANY rabid collectors that still will pay for Rare premium item.

[skyking26]

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Sorry to burst your bubble but the REALITY is many people who pay good money for rare items of guys that did juice do not give 2 sh#ts whether that player is/ will get into in the hall of fame . So since an item is rare for that player , just because he did roids that item can't go for premium money ??

Your comment is uneducated and bad generalization of the way prices are determined. I've collected mcgwire since 89'. Never mattered to me whether he ever got in. Nor would I ever care of what was in his body. Rare items of a player will always be desired regardless. Those "tainted" guys still have MANY rabid collectors that still will pay for Rare premium item.

I'd have to agree with Panthrotc. I still collect McGwire and lost his A's helmet in a recent auction - and somebody paid ALOT for that helmet.

On the rare occasion a Dave Kingman GU item comes to auction and it is somewhat rare or unusual... I meet with a battle from both Kingman collectors and Mets/Cubs collectors. It doesn't matter to me whether either gets in the Hall. They were prolific sluggers I followed during my lifetime and I collect them to this day. Adam Dunn included as a recent example.

On a side; it was disappointing when Mac spoke of his involvement with steroids. My take was always that following 2 seasons of foot issues and facing early retirement because of; he found that steroids (legal what he took then) got him to heal and continue to play. He was a born HR hitter whether he was on them or not. Did his items decrease in value after admission? Yep. Would I have sold if I'd seen that coming? Nope.

People collect because they like what they collect. If the individual is collecting because they are looking at HOF potential - they are investors; not collectors per say.

[Roady]

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Actually McGwire admitted to using PED's throughout his major league career all the way back to his rookie season.
It had nothing to do with an injury. It had to do with greed.

[Roady]

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My post was not to belittle anyone's collecting choice.
I just wanted to make sure people know he took them during his entire career. And yes, my greed comment was my opinion.
I don't care what anyone else collects.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/7900244/

"According to McGwire's statement, his usage of PEDs spanned a large portion of his career, which included parts or all of 16 seasons."

[skyking26]

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My post was not to belittle anyone's collecting choice.
I just wanted to make sure people know he took them during his entire career. And yes, my greed comment was my opinion.
I don't care what anyone else collects.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/7900244/

"According to McGwire's statement, his usage of PEDs spanned a large portion of his career, which included parts or all of 16 seasons."

I glanced at the article you have prefaced. I collect McGwire and have always loved watching him play... That said, I had met him just a few times during his career and found him to be "not so nice," and he should have gotten all this out when before Congress instead of taking the 5th. He only came clean when going for the hitting instructor job with STL.

All that said, before or after steroids, he was one of the best pure power hitters of our time. I grew up following Dave Kingman obviously, and no roids there. Pure power. It's sad McGwire took roids, sadder he kept taking them for periods, and saddest that he didn't come clean for so long.

My son was born the year before the record was broken in 98. Interestingly enough, as a elementary school project, he wrote an essay on McGwire. I've explained the whole thing and the whole subject shows how good people, famous or not, can be led down wrong paths.

[Roady]

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I glanced at the article you have prefaced.
All that said, before or after steroids, he was one of the best pure power hitters of our time. I grew up following Dave Kingman obviously, and no roids there. Pure power. It's sad McGwire took roids, sadder he kept taking them for periods, and saddest that he didn't come clean for so long.

That's the rub with McGwire though. Was there ever a "before steroids" during his MLB career? Who knows. We may have never seen him play clean and on his own natural God given talent.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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That's the rub with McGwire though. Was there ever a "before steroids" during his MLB career? Who knows. We may have never seen him play clean and on his own natural God given talent.

The assumption is the "before steroids" part of his career was before he stopped getting hurt all the time (pre-'95/'96).

[Roady]

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The assumption is the "before steroids" part of his career was before he stopped getting hurt all the time (pre-'95/'96).

But he said himself that he used them his entire MLB career.

[marino13]

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One thing I learned about collecting gamers

If you can't afford it, it ain't for you.

[STLHAMMER32]

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But he said himself that he used them his entire MLB career.

Can you provide proof of that statement? I can only find him saying that his use was a decade beginning in the 90's.

[Roady]

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Can you provide proof of that statement? I can only find him saying that his use was a decade beginning in the 90's.

I posted the article and his qoute from the article.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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I posted the article and his qoute from the article.

Could you post a link to the article, instead, so there aren't copyright questions, which could result in the post getting edited or removed?

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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Could you post a link to the article, instead, so there aren't copyright questions, which could result in the post getting edited or removed?

Nevermind... I found it.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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But he said himself that he used them his entire MLB career.

Roady, I have now read the article at the link you posted. Nowhere in the there is McGwire quoted as saying he used steroids during his entire career. Matthew Leach, the columnist, interjects that McGwire's statements mean that he used PEDs during all 16 years of his career. Leach also concludes that McGwire acknowledged PED use sometime after his third full season.

The actual quotes attributed to McGwire make it sound like he started using "low doses" of steroids during the 1996 season, to make sure he could stay on the field.

That is how I interpreted the comments about being injury prone (*M*A*S*H* unit) and calling his dad during '96 to talk to him about quitting, and deciding to use steroids as a way to help stay healthy. What specifically did McGwire say (not Leach) that leads you to believe McGwire admitted to using steroids his entire career?

[Roady]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12mcgwire.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"McGwire said he briefly tried steroids after the 1989 season but did not begin using them regularly until the winter after the 1993 season,...."

He chose his words very, very carefully.