Major Pull!! Full Game Used Bat!!

[sportsnbikes]

Re: Major Pull!! Full Game Used Bat!!

I'm not trying to argue your point because I believe you have a valid one and I hope you get it resolved the way you want, I am just trying to understand what exact info you learned from the bat since your first post. You called it a gem yesterday and now nothing is right on the bat. I and a few others who nothing about Pujols items would like to know what exactly changed your mind on this bat since yesterday?

I think he was being sarcastic when he said it was a gem.

[helf35]

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Got it Lost in Translation.

[RMoody]

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Jimmy, I know I can understand why your frustrated, but others on here who are not into pujols may not know why your so up in arms about the bat. I can say I also am not comfortable at all with the bat knowing how a pujols bat "should look". However they never showed or advertised the bat that was in the product and it was that exact ambiguous description of "Albert pujols game used bat" with no explanation of provenance or image that kept me from buying a box. Let's say you took this all the way, I mean all the way. You would lose in the end because the provided you exactly what was advertised, a "game used" bat with Albert pujols name on it. Who used it and during what games was not guaranteed by them. Yes I'd be just as upset as you but with these kinds of items it's a risk you take and I was not comfortable with this product.

So wait,

If he was he was named Alberr Pujols, would you have been ok with that little fella getting mailed. I'm sure he was used during a game, if not hundreds Albert played in.

[sportsnbikes]

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Tiger I don't believe anyone is turning a blind eye. We all get it that you're upset and I would be too. But I think many looking at this don't understand. We are not experts on Pujols. The sense of urgency is probably a little greater to you because are the one who got ripped off. I had never heard of this company before and my GU collection started after all these supposed reputable companies were caught. So this really doesn't surprise me and not up in arms because to me it seems to be more of the rule than the exception these days. I will be more than happy to join your campaign against this company. It's really too bad people put the almighty dollar over integrity. I for one could never sell an item as something it isn't; even if I got ripped of in a deal. I'd take the loss and move on.

Let me know if there's anything I can do besides writing the mentioned companies letting them know I will no longer be purchasing their products.

[seanbaseball]

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I think too many people "take the loss and move on". Its time that guy get really scared to rip people off. Time for the Tiger to attack
And clearly this is a bad Pujols bat in Every way!

[sportsnbikes]

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I do not mean that I wouldn't do anything about it. I'm saying that I would move on without in turn ripping someone else off.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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Oh, and that was definitely a raw deal regarding the bat. I'd call DACW to follow-up on the bat, as they may be willing to replace the bat with one from a more legitimate source.

[chakes89]

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Do you have a picture of the knob?

[suicide_squeeze]

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Wow, what a read.

And what a disgrace.

Jimmy, first off, I'm with you across the board. Forget the fact the bat carries not ONE single Pujols characteristic, but the minor league ball marks makes the whole thing insulting. And the amount of use is beyond excessive. A bat used by Pujols doesn't exist with use like that. But again, the MiLB ball marks.....just WOW.

coreystack, are you really going to argue MLB teams throw MiLB baseballs to MLB hitters during BP during a season?

But Jimmy, TAKE your refund. Don't let these small timers take you, even if you consider it chump change. It's YOUR money and the gig is up on this little costume ball.

[coreystack]

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Suicide Squeeze: I'm not arguing anything. I was simply pointing out that I personally caught MiLB balls at Tigers batting practices in spring 2008 (could have been the road team batting, I don't recall). The majority of balls were regular MLB balls, but on occasion there would be MiLB mixed in. As to this bat, I am no expert, and wouldn't offer any opinion.

My only "agenda" is to come here to seek assistance and advice from people that seem to know far more than I do about this stuff, and get advice on the various Tim Wallach items I pick up, as Wallach related stuff is the focus of my collection.

I really feel like your comment is way out of line. I have caught MiLB balls at MLB batting practices. I'm sorry if that offends you.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Suicide Squeeze: I'm not arguing anything. I was simply pointing out that I personally caught MiLB balls at Tigers batting practices in spring 2008 (could have been the road team batting, I don't recall). The majority of balls were regular MLB balls, but on occasion there would be MiLB mixed in. As to this bat, I am no expert, and wouldn't offer any opinion.

My only "agenda" is to come here to seek assistance and advice from people that seem to know far more than I do about this stuff, and get advice on the various Tim Wallach items I pick up, as Wallach related stuff is the focus of my collection.

I really feel like your comment is way out of line. I have caught MiLB balls at MLB batting practices. I'm sorry if that offends you.

coreystack,

Sorry if you were offended. I share the same agenda, that is if you're being truthful, but apparently have less patience. It's kind of akin to living longer: The more you see what's really going on in the world, the more cynical you can become if you allow it.

When something strange going on in the hobby is brought to our attention, and by strange I mean something that just doesn't add up, a user sometimes can jump in, usually one with a severely low post count...like yours...and make an outrageous claim to subtly support the joker who is being exposed for wrongdoing, whether that wrongdoing was intentional or otherwise.

Your comment struck me as being placed in a timely manner to insinuate there could be a logical explanation for the MiLB transfer marks on a Pujols bat that was offered publicly as a game used bat. Those kinds of claims, especially while coming from someone who is self-proclaimed as looking to others for answers who are more seasoned than he is, are suspicious to guys like myself who have completely stepped over "cynical" and have moved on all the way up to "watch out for the pile on the floor". These kind of comments, albeit if sincere are welcome and add to the knowledge sharing, often serve no other purpose than to muck up the understanding of what's really going on. Because that is what they are intended to do. So we, the fellow forum members, read these comments and choose to comment or not on how we perceive them.

I sincerely didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I also admittedly have no idea what kind of baseballs are used at Detroit Tigers spring training games. If for whatever reason MiLB baseballs were miraculously sent to the big league club in Detroit from one of their minor league affiliates...a strange claim to begin with...for spring training use, BP or otherwise, I suppose a few could then end up finding their way into a MLB bag of BP balls. But how that would translate to ONE Pujols bat, void of ANY player characteristics, being blessed with having itself marked up to holy hell with that miraculously traveled bag of MiLB baseballs, then ending up in the hands of the fine seller offering up this fantastic financial windfall of an offering because he's a swell guy, a champion in the industry who chose to become a popular seller instead of auctioning off that fine Pujols gamer in an auction as almost all of us would have......just seems a tad too spectacular for my brain cells.

So what was the connection that you were trying to make to the Pujols bat? That your insinuation could help to explain the MiLB marks on one of his supposed gamers with excessive use, no player characteristics, and never before seen MiLB ball marks on the bat? As someone who has been collecting for just shy of 32 years now, I find your comment saying you find my comment way out of line, way out of line. But I, unlike you, surely won't let it ruffle my feathers. I'll just comment on it, as I did, and hope we adults here can handle the help our fellow collectors are willing to offer. And that would be intelligent reasonable comments that make sense, not ones that are outlandishly thrown out there that may be intended to cloud the issue when there is no chance of that possible.

I do wish you luck with your Tim Wallach collection. He should be the manager of the Dodgers, and very well may be if they fail again this year under Mattingly. Maybe Tim will win a World Series or two and you might end up with quite a collection?

Steve

[sox83cubs84]

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[[B]coreystack[/B], are you really going to argue MLB teams throw MiLB baseballs to MLB hitters during BP during a season?

Steve: I've gotten two MiLB baseballs in MLB BP sessions, althogh both were roughly 20 years ago: A Midwest League ball tossed to a small group of fans by Ellis Burks at a game in Comiskey Park, and a Dave Henderson foul ball that was from the International League that I caught on the fly at a Royals BP session at County Stadium in Milwaukee. Very rare, but it can happen.


Dave Miedema

[camarokids]

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I used to own a Toby Hall signed game used Home Run Bat that also had and an International League ball mark on it......

So the fact that there is a minor league ball mark on the Pujols bat would not disqualify the bat.

Apparently there is plenty wrong with the bat.

In general a minor league ball mark would not disqualify a major league game used bat as being a legitimate game used bat.

Disclaimer: I am not sticking up for the person who wrote the LOA on the supposed Pujols bat.

[suicide_squeeze]

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[QUOTE=sox83cubs84;375866]

coreystack[/B], are you really going to argue MLB teams throw MiLB baseballs to MLB hitters during BP during a season?

Steve: I've gotten two MiLB baseballs in MLB BP sessions, althogh both were roughly 20 years ago: A Midwest League ball tossed to a small group of fans by Ellis Burks at a game in Comiskey Park, and a Dave Henderson foul ball that was from the International League that I caught on the fly at a Royals BP session at County Stadium in Milwaukee. Very rare, but it can happen.


Dave Miedema

Hi Dave,

Really happy you're back and feeling well again.

I don't for one second doubt this has happened in the past.

All I'm saying is how does that translate to MiLB transfer marks riddling a game used Pujols bat? Silliness.

Steve

[STLHAMMER32]

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I have to disagree that it would not disqualify the bat from being authenticated as being classified as game used when the marks are from minor league transfers.

There will always be unique examples of players who once used a store model bat for an at bat or something very strange but that doesn't mean we can assume a store model bat was used in a game until proven otherwise just because it has happened before. If we allow for very very small percentage situations to cloud judgment when authenticating that is a slippery slope to be on. Let's just call this what it is.....A Pro model Albert Pujols bat with use inconsistent with that of Albert and not used in a major league game