Major Pull!! Full Game Used Bat!!

[bgakladd]

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Is this a possibility of how an Albert Pujols game model Cardianls bat gets minor league ball marks on it? Here is my example: Back in the late 1990's and early 2000 years the San Diego Padres would visit minor league affiliate Fort Wayne Wizards for an exibition game in Fort Wayne Indiana. I would almost believe the Wizards supplied Midwest league game balls since they hosted the game. Here is a pic of Tony Gwynn with some Wizard players and his bat. Again they played an exibition game also. Now, is it possible in 2005 the Cardinals played an exibition game against one of their minor league affiliates and Puhols left or gave a bat to someone in the Cardinals organization??? And if he did give one away was it used by a minor league player?? Again just a thought but if they didn't play any exibition games then my comparison doesn't matter. It all depends if one was played.

[ndevlin]

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No, no, no. I appreciate your response, but the bat is bad.

If the bat was offered to me for $50, I would pass.

[bgakladd]

Re: Major Pull!! Full Game Used Bat!!

Is this a possibility of how an Albert Pujols game model Cardianls bat gets minor league ball marks on it? Here is my example: Back in the late 1990's and early 2000 years the San Diego Padres would visit minor league affiliate Fort Wayne Wizards for an exibition game in Fort Wayne Indiana. I would almost believe the Wizards supplied Midwest league game balls since they hosted the game. Here is a pic of Tony Gwynn with some Wizard players and his bat. Again they played an exibition game also. Now, is it possible in 2005 the Cardinals played an exibition game against one of their minor league affiliates and Puhols left or gave a bat to someone in the Cardinals organization??? And if he did give one away was it used by a minor league player?? Again just a thought but if they didn't play any exibition games then my comparison doesn't matter. It all depends if one was played.

Guess this was what I was looking for, an exhibition game against one of the Cardinals minor league clubs in 2005. With the same senerio as the Wizards against the Padres. My guessing was the Puhols bat being left behind or given to someone on the Springfield team and used by a player with that players bat chararistics and not Puhols.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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Could someone explain why my post was removed from the thread? I don't think I made any comments that were without merit.

If a product was sold (the entire run of bats at $299 retail) and one of the key pulls turns out not to be as advertised, offering a refund of the current sale price of the product ($229) by Zenith is unreasonable. That isn't a fair value estimate, which would be defined by the ERV of the prize or market.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Guess this was what I was looking for, an exhibition game against one of the Cardinals minor league clubs in 2005. With the same senerio as the Wizards against the Padres. My guessing was the Puhols bat being left behind or given to someone on the Springfield team and used by a player with that players bat chararistics and not Puhols.

Yes, bgakladd, this is one possible explanation.

I guess what I'm getting at, is how far do you guys want to reach to put together an argument that this Pujols bat is an authentic game used bat of his? My rule of thumb is if you've got to get spectacular in defining possible truths about a piece, you may want to rethink it's heritage. In this case, I don't even think there's an argument.

We're stretching to lengths of discussing balls used in spring training batting practices, or the possibility of Pujols leaving one of his bats behind either by choice or as a gift....and in doing so someone else peppering that baby with "game use" (which on its own accord appears to be going through some sort of refinement of description as to what constitutes real game use), as justification for arguing this could be a Pujols game used bat?

The question simply comes down to how in need some of you are to talk yourself into believing this Pujols bat has a shot at being a legitimate game used Albert Pujols bat. I am not trying to come off harsh and say there is NO WAY that bat could be a Pujols game used bat. What I am saying is it doesn't have characteristics that, in my experience, would place it in the Pujols game used bat category. I wouldn't own it for any price. But that's just me.

Nate and STLHAMMER32 are giving good advice, if you choose to accept it. The bat is "A Pro model Albert Pujols bat with use inconsistent with that of Albert and not (likely) used in a major league game." And I would add, undesirable to any collector seeking authentic pieces.

Steve

[JDF5244]

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Apologies in advance for what may seem like a silly question (after 8 pages of various posts on this topic) however I'm still unclear how it has been determined that the ball marks are MiLB and not MLB.
Can someone please advise?
J

[gorilla777]

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Jimmy, any update on this deal?

Thanks, Ben

[admin_old]

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Could someone explain why my post was removed from the thread? I don't think I made any comments that were without merit.

If a product was sold (the entire run of bats at $299 retail) and one of the key pulls turns out not to be as advertised, offering a refund of the current sale price of the product ($229) by Zenith is unreasonable. That isn't a fair value estimate, which would be defined by the ERV of the prize or market.

I apologize for any confusion. Your post was deleted as it was a response to posts that violated forum rules. Particularly rule #16- "In instances where a forum member is identifying an item in the hobby they believe to have issues, the poster should clearly state their findings in the form of an opinion and provide adequate rationale for why they believe there is an issue. When possible, we recommend that the poster questioning an item attempt to contact the seller of the item and allow at least 24 hours for the seller to reply before posting. This will prevent postings that may be generated based on misunderstandings of an item. In addition, while this forum is designed to help educate collectors, we will not allow comments that accuse entities in the hobby of participating in any form of criminal wrong-doing. Any posts suggesting criminal wrong-doing should be brought to the attention of the moderators immediately."
After the conversation was cleaned up, your post no longer applied and would only continue a discussion that violates the forum policy. Let me know if you have further questions.

[Stefano61]

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I still don't get why the ball marks should come from minor League balls...besides that, I purchased a couple of month ago a "Game used great" box and was lucky enough to fin a 1980-83 Paul Molitor used bat.

[Nnunnari]

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I still don't get why the ball marks should come from minor League balls...besides that, I purchased a couple of month ago a "Game used great" box and was lucky enough to fin a 1980-83 Paul Molitor used bat.

Do you mind posting pics of the Molitor? Would be interested in knowing what quality that bat is.

[Stefano61]

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here's the Molitor bat

[suicide_squeeze]

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Apologies in advance for what may seem like a silly question (after 8 pages of various posts on this topic) however I'm still unclear how it has been determined that the ball marks are MiLB and not MLB.
Can someone please advise?
J

On a MiLB baseball, the blue player logo has stars on it arching over the player image. You can make out a few of those star transfer marks, backwards, in the blue fields.

[Nnunnari]

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Looks like a good Molitor bat with light use.

[Wrigley2010]

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I still don't get why the ball marks should come from minor League balls...besides that, I purchased a couple of month ago a "Game used great" box and was lucky enough to fin a 1980-83 Paul Molitor used bat.

Stefan, was this the same Molitor Bat that was showcased in a break on Youtube?

I was going to purchase two of these to send to my brother who is over seas. Honestly, after seeing the Molitor pulled on Youtube and now this Pujols I changed my mind. While the concept is certainly a novel idea it is also one that comes with great responsibility.

I know of one MLB team that does a "Mystery Bat" and it's the Tampa Rays. Is anyone aware of any other teams that do something similar?

[Stefano61]

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Stefan, was this the same Molitor Bat that was showcased in a break on Youtube?

I was going to purchase two of these to send to my brother who is over seas. Honestly, after seeing the Molitor pulled on Youtube and now this Pujols I changed my mind. While the concept is certainly a novel idea it is also one that comes with great responsibility.

I know of one MLB team that does a "Mystery Bat" and it's the Tampa Rays. Is anyone aware of any other teams that do something similar?

yes it is...I'd say I'm more than satisfied with the Molitor's bat; considering what I spent for the box, it was a pretty good catch. I'd say the game usage is little more than light considering all the ball marks and few stitch marks, certainly far from the "heavy" game use signs described in the gameusedbats certificate