Heads Up NFL Auctions "Game Uused" Footballs

[yanks12025]

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It's not a theory. I've literally asked a few NFL equipment managers. You will never see A1, C1, D9, etc just 1-12 or B1 - B12. Kicker balls have a "K" imprinted on it not written in sharpie. Just look at Getty Images.

If a ball is used for a subsequent game, additional marking which are usually numbers are added to the tip of the football. That's why you see some footballs with numerous numbers on the tip, never see a number 13 or greater, and I'm pretty certain every ball inspector or referee doesn't have a first or last name beginning with a "B" LMFAO at that "theory".

Also say your theory is correct that the B stands for backup. Wouldn't RaidernatioN's football have a separate referee mark on the corner of the ball then?

[yanks12025]

Re: Heads Up NFL Auctions "Game Uused" Footballs

It's not a theory. I've literally asked a few NFL equipment managers. You will never see A1, C1, D9, etc just 1-12 or B1 - B12. Kicker balls have a "K" imprinted on it not written in sharpie. Just look at Getty Images.

If a ball is used for a subsequent game, additional marking which are usually numbers are added to the tip of the football. That's why you see some footballs with numerous numbers on the tip, never see a number 13 or greater, and I'm pretty certain every ball inspector or referee doesn't have a first or last name beginning with a "B" LMFAO at that "theory".

I went and looked at more getty images and I believe you're correct about the B now because I see footballs marked with Clete Blakeman's number 34 on the end.

[Abzk01]

Re: Heads Up NFL Auctions "Game Uused" Footballs

Also say your theory is correct that the B stands for backup. Wouldn't RaidernatioN's football have a separate referee mark on the corner of the ball then?

TBH, I don't think any "B" Football was used during that game. Game ball #10 or #12 has a 34 on the tip as does #5. If they used ball #10/12 and #5, that means the B set didn't see game play. It's possible they were warmup balls and likely uninspected. Based on the warm up technicality it's likely a game used for warmup. I didn't see any "B" balls for the Broncos either. If you can find warmup pictures, I bet you'd see a few "B" or unmarked balls.

[RaidernatioN]

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Also this was the only Salute To Service game the Raiders played in while other teams are listed more than once.

[Abzk01]

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Also this was the only Salute To Service game the Raiders played in while other teams are listed more than once.

NFL game balls are all broken in prior to being used in games. The team never has 12 brand new balls, they are all used in practice and see a significant amount of use as game balls are hand picked practice balls. Even though the StS game is only 1 game, there still should be some decent use from being broken in. The laces should be brown and so on. I haven't seen your ball but I have some 1 off game balls that all show good use and they would have only been usable in 1 game.

[RaidernatioN]

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It shows heavy use and yes the laces are dirty as well.

[yanks12025]

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This is really disappointing that the NFL and also PSA/DNA doesn't have a better procedure for game used footballs. Some of these balls are being sold as game used when intact they're practice used. Hopefully one day they will be like the MLB and have someone right there after the game mark the footballs correctly.

[Abzk01]

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It shows heavy use and yes the laces are dirty as well.

The only question that really needs to be asked and answered is... Is it legal to use a football in an NFL game without rule b. "Upon approval, each game ball and back-up ball will be stamped with the Referee’s distinctive mark at the corners of each non-insignia panel. "

IMO the answer is No.

If rule e. Is followed "All game ball information will be recorded on the Referee’s Report, which must be submitted to the League office by noon on the day following the game", you should be able to request a copy or confirmation on what balls were used and approved.

[RaidernatioN]

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Another update on this... they are sending me a prepaid label to return the football. I told them that I wasn't satisfied that this was used during the game and that I wasn't paying $450 for a practice or pregame ball.

Buyers beware... if you cant trust NFL Auction who can you really trust. I agree they need to tighten up labeling items right as they come off the field and not assuming game use.

Thanks for all the discussion guys. I hope this thread possibly opened some eyes.

[yanks12025]

Re: Heads Up NFL Auctions "Game Uused" Footballs

Another update on this... they are sending me a prepaid label to return the football. I told them that I wasn't satisfied that this was used during the game and that I wasn't paying $450 for a practice or pregame ball.

Buyers beware... if you cant trust NFL Auction who can you really trust. I agree they need to tighten up labeling items right as they come off the field and not assuming game use.

Thanks for all the discussion guys. I hope this thread possibly opened some eyes.

The head guy at Nfl auctions told me they will look into it after the pro bowl. But I guess the teams sign papers stating they're game used. So probably more the teams fault then Nfl auctions.

[Abzk01]

Re: Heads Up NFL Auctions "Game Uused" Footballs

Another update on this... they are sending me a prepaid label to return the football. I told them that I wasn't satisfied that this was used during the game and that I wasn't paying $450 for a practice or pregame ball.

Buyers beware... if you cant trust NFL Auction who can you really trust. I agree they need to tighten up labeling items right as they come off the field and not assuming game use.

Thanks for all the discussion guys. I hope this thread possibly opened some eyes.

I'm glad you got this resolved. I did find 3 days worth of practice pictures where they were using StS balls which likely explains the use on the one you purchased.

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Oakland-Raiders-Begin-Prep-For-Denver-Wednesday-Practice-/3007b757-879f-4a33-b0e7-ea80218337dd#start

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Oakland-Raiders-Continue-Prep-For-Broncos-Thursday-Practice/033c19d9-e82e-4d02-99a8-416cdf909d0b

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Oakland-Raiders-Finalize-Plans-For-Denver-Friday-Practice/455b6706-f862-4fa4-beae-b4141c190853

[RaidernatioN]

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The head guy at Nfl auctions told me they will look into it after the pro bowl. But I guess the teams sign papers stating they're game used. So probably more the teams fault then Nfl auctions.

Yea Pete Q. was included on all correspondence regarding this. What's crazy is there's a 'b9' ball for sale right now on their site and currently at $615 with over 5 days left. They should really take it off.

Thanks again guys.

[yanks12025]

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I was able to email a current NFL ref and he did confirm B stands for backup.

[jeriley23]

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they are currently selling past super bowl balls as game used. I can't see any markings on the ball at all. What would be the likelihood that this is not game used?

[RaidernatioN]

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I would stay away.