Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

[cigarman44]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

sounds like 3arod13's getting a little testy here when his boy is bagged on. Sounds like someones drinking too much Arod juice if you know what I'm sayin...slurp, slurp

[3arod13]

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I think we all, at one point in our life, have been at the fork in the road where we have seen or heard something wrong and thought to ourselves, should I or should I not say or do anything, in fear what others might say or think about us. Happens especially in the work place for those fear they may lose their job.

It's a tough situation for many to decide what to do. Some have no problem speaking up, and some do.

I have no problem with Canseco speaking out. I just don't care for the reasons he did it.

The end for me. Great comments everyone!

[3arod13]

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You are absolutely right. Canseco didn't do this to clean up baseball, he did it to get even. Now, even as a die hard Canseco fan I still don't respect that. I don't respect the motivation and I don't respect him naming names and airing other people's dirty laundry. He was just bitter and he readily admits that. I have no idea about his financial situation so I'm not going to speculate about it. Either way he hasn't been wrong yet.

Some people really do like to attack Canseco. Some fans, and a lot of sports reporters. They don't wan't to take him at his word even after he's been proven right many times over. A lot of people thought he was a jerk back in the day and this sitution gives them an excuse to take shots at him. He's become a laughing stock, a boob. My personal opinion is that he's neither a hero nor a villian in this. He shouldn't be admired nor should he be reviled. The steriod issue is bigger than Jose Canseco. He's just one piece of the puzzle that allowed fans know the truth. Right or wrong.

-Jason M

Jason,

Well said! My point exactly.

[kingjammy24]

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"The issue is steriods, which are a drug, which to me, is a victimless crime."

this isn't about some burnout in his basement. it's about superstar athletes. the victims are the young, impressionable kids who end up thinking that if a star major leaguer does it then it must be ok and that that's the way to succeed in the majors. what do you think the capitol hill hearings were about? simply weeding out cheating players? two sets of parents were there whose kids committed suicide after steroid abuse.

McGwire: "My heart goes out to every parent whose son or daughter were victims of steroid use ... I hope that these hearings can prevent other families from suffering."

Selig: "Major League Baseball has always recognized the influence that our stars can have on the youth of America. As such, we are concerned that recent revelations and allegations of steroid use have been sending a terrible message to young people."

rudy.

[whatupyos]

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David

hey, fine, agree with Rudy...I can care less. He's right crimes such as murder and fraud should be reported. I should have been more clear about my statements. However, hypothetically would you rat out your buddy who sold another buddy dope? Would you rat out a friend for supplying an underage friend some alcohol? See where I'm going here. The issue is steriods, which are a drug, which to me, is a victimless crime. What one person wants to put into their body is their own business. You etalking about people hurting others with violence, or fraud. That is something entirely different than my version of ratting for doing drugs. If I had a friend who shot up roids, or sold dope, or gave an underage friend some alcohol, I wouldn't rat. That kind of stuff gets people into trouble on the street...so them doing wrong with drugs is their own darn business, not something I'm going to point out to authorities.

I dont want to name names, but allegedly there was a person named in the Mitchell report who said, so and so, and another so and so did roids too, when they were asked about their involvment. That was not cool...Look at Giambi...he did a stand up job. He said he'd talk to Mitchell about his own use but not talk about anyone else....that should be applauded. Thats stand up work, he didn't sell anyone out!! Even see the movie 'Scent of a Woman'...maybe you should watch it and realize what I'm talking about. Not selling others out is called courage...what leaders are made of!!!

[David]

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I should add that I agree with Rudy.

Pointing out auction house forgery is an example of ratting.

Telling the police that there he sees a guy pacing by the elementary school with a shotgun is ratting.

[whatupyos]

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Rudy,

Wow, I mean come one man. Maybe thats my fault for not being more specific, but I figured since you know so much about everything, I wouldn't have to further explain myself, especially to you. My bad for not doing so in the first post but in terms of violent crime, or if it harms someone, then yes, by all means point out what you saw...i.e. witnessing a murder, watching someone swindle millions in fraud. What I'm talking about is the good ol' victimless crimes. I mean drugs, which I assume most people have done here and there. You wouldn't "rat" out your buddy to the cops and say, hey, I know so and so who smokes dope in his home every night and set up a sting operation to then bust them...lets be real.

[David]

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By definition rats are guilty of telling the truth. By definition, people who are against rats want the truth suppressed.

[kingjammy24]

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"Its not cool to "rat" out people. If you want to say you did roids, fine, say so, but keep other peoples names out of your mouth."

i agree! if you witness people comitting federal crimes, just keep quiet! that's best for everyone. if not for that damn sherron watkins, enron might still be out there defrauding investors! if frank serpico hadn't opened his yapper then the nypd could have continued its corruption.

sherron watkins, frank serpico = not cool

criminal activities = very cool

i wonder how people here would feel if an auction house employee would step forward with detailed admissions of shill-bidding. i know i'd hate such a rat. let the fraud continue i say!

rudy.

[whatupyos]

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I'm curious what others think about Canseco naming names? What about you former/current police officers? I know all about the brotherhood y'all have and same for military folks. Its not cool to "rat" out people. If you want to say you did roids, fine, say so, but keep other peoples names out of your mouth.

Aaron

[staindsox]

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FYI - Clemens was in his first book. I read it cover to cover.

[DConLA]

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HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF BASEBALL. HE'S OUT AND HE WANTS BACK IN. WHAT ELES CAN HE DO.

DAN 323 257-4898 daniel248@earthlink.net

[JasonM33]

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Correct! There's no question there are a lot of names that weren't mentioned on the Mitchels list. A lot of big names!

People don't love to bash Canseco, call him names and rant about his creditbility. There's no quesiton in my mind at all that Canseco is very honest in everything he says...even when he mentions Arod's name. Possible...yes!

Bottom line for me (and I'm only speaking for myself), I just don't care for way Canseco went about it and for the reasons he did. His goal was not to clean up baseball. If it was, he would have done in back when he was playing. For those of us who know enough about Canseco, it was all about payback to MLB. A bitter Jose Canseco.

You are absolutely right. Canseco didn't do this to clean up baseball, he did it to get even. Now, even as a die hard Canseco fan I still don't respect that. I don't respect the motivation and I don't respect him naming names and airing other people's dirty laundry. He was just bitter and he readily admits that. I have no idea about his financial situation so I'm not going to speculate about it. Either way he hasn't been wrong yet.

Some people really do like to attack Canseco. Some fans, and a lot of sports reporters. They don't wan't to take him at his word even after he's been proven right many times over. A lot of people thought he was a jerk back in the day and this sitution gives them an excuse to take shots at him. He's become a laughing stock, a boob. My personal opinion is that he's neither a hero nor a villian in this. He shouldn't be admired nor should he be reviled. The steriod issue is bigger than Jose Canseco. He's just one piece of the puzzle that allowed fans know the truth. Right or wrong.

-Jason M

[3arod13]

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Well said Reed. The main point that I have been trying to make about Canseco is...he isn't a great guy like some make him out to be for coming forward and opening the door about steroids. Yes, he did provide information that opened the door, but it wasn't because he's a great guy and wanted to clean up baseball. He's a bitter, bitter ballplayer who wants to pay MLB back. As he said in the past, he was blackballed within baseball and it's payback time.

Did Canseco do some good, yes. Did he do it for the right reasons? NO

[reed1216]

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I heard Canseco on Dan Patrick's radio show last week. During the interview, he stated that he was totally unaware that Clemens was involved in steroids or HGH. All that means is that he did not know anything about Clemens' use of PEDs. It also appears that he and Clemens were friends. I doubt that would have prevented Canseco from including Clemens in his first book, had he any reason to suspect that Clemens was using. His first objective in all this is and has been to make money...

As far as ARod is concerned, time will tell. Yes, Jose has built some degree of credibility. However, that DOES NOT mean his word is 100% legit from now on. Canseco's primary goal is to make money off this. By being credible in Juiced, he established credibility. This new found credibility looks to be helpful in marketing his follow-up. Introducing ARod as a steroid user is about the best way a slow-witted guy like me would know to get people talking. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the more talk there is, the more copies of the book will be sold.

Again, I don't know if ARod used. I hope he didn't. but who really knows. But just because Jose named some names that turned out to be true in Juiced, does not mean that he is a credible source. All it means is that he was credible the first time he wrote about the subject....