Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

[GrndSlm]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

I feel that you guys are missing the point....Eveyone looses with this steroids situation. Players, MLB, the Union, ect...If there was a correct way to handle this then it would have been taken care of years ago. Jose opened a can of tuna that caused a major headache on baseball. Over the years many people spoke to me about Jose the rat. But, everything he said was right on the money. His presentation sucked but the information was correct. Even his complaints about the union and baseball were on the money. Why do you think AROD confessed? The union failed him with the confidentiality agreement negotiated with the players. All of those 2002-2003 exams were supposed to be used only for a survey and not go public. The union assured the players that the names are only to be used by "there" union.
With this in mind, no player will voluntarily say that they used performance inhansing drugs unless they are under oath. Even then, the information gets leaked by a federal grand jury and now by the testing process used by MLB.
Alex had no other choice but to go public.....
Also, he didnt sue Jose because that would open him up for cross examination ,which now we know, would have forced him to committ perjury.

thanks,
Juan Iglesais
GrndSlm@aol.com

[allstarsplus]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Canseco is far from an honest man. He just happens to be right on a number of his steroid allegations. If he had a chance to get into the HOF do you think for one minute that he would have admitted his own steroid use or implicated others. While he was playing he lied about not using steroids. The only reason he has written these books is $money and trying to get even with baseball because he doesn't think he got the respect he dererves. Canseco is like a snitch in a mafia trial. He may be useful, but he deserves no respect.

Well said!!! I hate to give Canseco any credit for being right as I don't find his motivations pure. I had hoped he wasn't right with regards to ARod.

[whatupyos]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Was Canseco's 2nd book ever published? I have yet to see it anywhere, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. Or maybe no one carries it.

Aaron

[kingjammy24]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

cjclong: agreed. but i'm not saying he ought to be respected per se or he wrote the book for altruistic reasons. i'm simply saying that when it came to naming steroid users, the man was completely accurate.

at this point, canseco has said he regrets writing the book. "..the 44-year-old Canseco said he "wanted revenge" on Major League Baseball because he believed he had been forced out of the game. The book was his means of getting even, and he named names "to show I was telling the truth" about steroids in baseball, he said..."If I could meet with Mark McGwire and these players, I definitely would apologize to them," Canseco said, according to the New York Daily News. "They were my friends. I admired them. I respected them." his life has turned out sadly and he'd probably be the first to blame himself for it. in his recent A&E documentary, he said he made a lot of mistakes. all of that said and aside, i think that when it comes specifically to this steroid issue, he's really the only voice with any authority and accuracy. if he came out now and, hypothetically, said ripken or gwynn had done them, it'd be shocking but also very hard to ignore or dismiss given his perfect track record on the matter.

larry: i agree as well. who else is going to do anything? selig and fehr? har har.

rudy.

[Nnunnari]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Canseco has been telling the truth the whole time but he is a snitch.
He ratted out his good friends and teammates, people that went to battle with him for years. He's a scumbag who deserves no respect.

[larry bourget]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

MLB should make Canseco Vice Commissioner.

LB

[cjclong]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Canseco is far from an honest man. He just happens to be right on a number of his steroid allegations. If he had a chance to get into the HOF do you think for one minute that he would have admitted his own steroid use or implicated others. While he was playing he lied about not using steroids. The only reason he has written these books is $money and trying to get even with baseball because he doesn't think he got the respect he dererves. Canseco is like a snitch in a mafia trial. He may be useful, but he deserves no respect.

[3arod13]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

1 year later and canseco's once again proven right. there are certainly many valid criticisms one can direct at canseco but at this point in time, he seems to be the only honest man standing. he's been right on every single one of the names he mentioned.

"Several years ago, in his second book, “Vindicated,” Canseco said he was “confident” Rodriguez used steroids. He went so far as to write, “I did everything but inject the guy myself,” claiming he’d introduced “A-Roid” to a supplier in Miami named Joseph Dion. Canseco wrote that the very next day, Dion called to thank him because “A-Rod had signed on.”

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Jose Canseco: A-Rod got off the hook
Friday, December 14th 2007

More than 80 players were named in one capacity or another in the Mitchell Report, but Jose Canseco was certain there would be at least one more name in the document: Alex Rodriguez.
Canseco, who was one of the players named by Sen. George Mitchell in the report, told the Fox Business Channel he was surprised not to see A-Rod's name in the report.
"All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete," Canseco said. "I could not believe that (Rodriguez's) name was not in the report."

Efforts to reach Rodriguez on Thursday night were unsuccessful. He did appear on the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric," where he said of the report: "These are guys that I play with. They're my teammates, friends, people that I respect, people that I play with every day. If anything comes of this, (I) would be extremely disappointed. I mean it would be a huge black eye on the game of baseball."
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rodriguez said if his teammates were in the mitchell report he'd be "extremely disappointed" because it'd "be a huge black eye on the game of baseball". numbnuts.

rudy.

I can honestly say I never would have believed it. I always believed that Arod was too talented from the start to have the need and/or desire to used performance enhancement drugs.

I will now always say...NEVER SAY NEVER!

Regards, Tony

[kingjammy24]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

1 year later and canseco's once again proven right. there are certainly many valid criticisms one can direct at canseco but at this point in time, he seems to be the only honest man standing. he's been right on every single one of the names he mentioned.

"Several years ago, in his second book, “Vindicated,” Canseco said he was “confident” Rodriguez used steroids. He went so far as to write, “I did everything but inject the guy myself,” claiming he’d introduced “A-Roid” to a supplier in Miami named Joseph Dion. Canseco wrote that the very next day, Dion called to thank him because “A-Rod had signed on.”

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Jose Canseco: A-Rod got off the hook
Friday, December 14th 2007

More than 80 players were named in one capacity or another in the Mitchell Report, but Jose Canseco was certain there would be at least one more name in the document: Alex Rodriguez.
Canseco, who was one of the players named by Sen. George Mitchell in the report, told the Fox Business Channel he was surprised not to see A-Rod's name in the report.
"All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete," Canseco said. "I could not believe that (Rodriguez's) name was not in the report."

Efforts to reach Rodriguez on Thursday night were unsuccessful. He did appear on the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric," where he said of the report: "These are guys that I play with. They're my teammates, friends, people that I respect, people that I play with every day. If anything comes of this, (I) would be extremely disappointed. I mean it would be a huge black eye on the game of baseball."
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rodriguez said if his teammates were in the mitchell report he'd be "extremely disappointed" because it'd "be a huge black eye on the game of baseball". numbnuts.

rudy.

[3arod13]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Get rid of your Arod stuff. Maybe he was better at hiding it than the others, but it'll come out eventually. I know there's a few Arod fans on here that are grasping at straws to say their boy is clean, but it's coming. Sell all your crap of Arod-he's the next Bonds.
Greg

Grasping at straws? Boy, you arod haters just don't give up! I can see where Arod's NATURAL ABILITY would make you believe he juiced. However, MILK was the only thing Arod was drinking (lol)

[33bird]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Get rid of your Arod stuff. Maybe he was better at hiding it than the others, but it'll come out eventually. I know there's a few Arod fans on here that are grasping at straws to say their boy is clean, but it's coming. Sell all your crap of Arod-he's the next Bonds.
Greg

[Nnunnari]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

If Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Palmeiro, Sheffield, Sosa don't get voted to the Hall, the HOF will lose all credibility in my eyes.

Nick

[Nnunnari]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

Baseball players are just like police officers, they don't rat each other out, it's a secret society. There are many dirty little secrets in both professions, Canseco was bitter at baseball and opened his big mouth. The players knew the only way they'd ever get busted for the steroid/HGH scandal that EVERYBODY was involved in was if someone from within opened their mouth- nobody figured this would ever happen, but unfortunately for them it did. The players who haven't been mentioned yet are counting their lucky stars. You guys can keep telling yourself that your favorite players who are not named in the Mitchell Report are clean, but again, you're most likely wrong. It was an even playing field, let the great ones in the Hall!

[TNTtoys]

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My 2 cents about steriods being a "victimless" crime. Rudy did hit the nail on the head as far as the impact on the youth of our nation, and I did see that the Mitchell report was valuable in its own rights for exposing to these kids that they will be labeled for life should they try this. Yes, the user of steriods generally is the victim... but there are cases where someone "clean" is instead. Picture the young aspiring athlete who is beaten out of that starting spot by someone of equal or lesser talent but is on performance enhancing drugs. I see this guy being a "victim." Where will it lead him? Down one of two paths -- 1. either feeling as though the only way to make it is to take the performance enhancers himself or 2. cheated out of a career that he rightfully deserved.

[3arod13]

Re: Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

sounds like 3arod13's getting a little testy here when his boy is bagged on. Sounds like someones drinking too much Arod juice if you know what I'm sayin...slurp, slurp

??? My comments have been directed at Jose Canseco and his motive(s) for telling all about steriods. I haven't defended Arod at all. I stated, if it's proven that arod juiced, then he deserves everything he gets.

Haven't got testy or defensive at all