Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

[bigtime59]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

A TRUE indication of provenance will enhance fair market value which is why items on MLB Auctions and NFL Auctions appear to sell for large premiums.

Not everyone will disclose their true sources for an honest provenance and my favorite blanket statement is 99% of our items come direct from the player----if you hear that----think twice.

Well, and also because it's frickin' amateur hour over at MLB.com. That's why I hate charity auctions: things wind up going for far more than they're worth (or far more than I can afford, which is the same thing to me!).

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[mbrieve]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Having read both threads pertaining to the Chris Boyd - Les Zukor dealings, it seems pretty clear that someone has a bit of buyer's remorse.

I think one thing that a lot of people are missing is that every game used item is unique and special, therefore it is not always easy to determine fair market value.

Also, sports memorabilia is an extremely volatile market. How many people do you think bought an Alex Rodriguez item one week ago and regret it a little bit now?

[frikativ54]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Sorry, got my states mixed up. Might be the massive headache I have. Instead of the major news headline being "Arod admits using Steroids," the headline should read "Leslie feels cheated and FORCED to Buy Jersey."


I meant to say

Now, you are mocking me. Chris - you and A-Rod have something in common. Both of you lied when there was something in it for you. I just received another email about your business practices, and another person is disgusted but won't say anything on the forum. You get your money in life from cheating and indimidating people.

[bigtime59]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

And another thing: if buyers are gonna be stupid, it's not the seller's responsibility to say to them "you know you're seriously overpaying for this item".
I had an eBay sale once that I refer to as "the Miracle of __________" (player's name not revealed to protect the buyer). A common G/U road jersey that went for waaaaaaaaaaay more than I thought it would. Did I tell that buyer that I'd give it to him for less because I thought he was "over paying"? Hell, no! No more so than any buyer has offered to make up the difference for me when I was selling an item at a loss.
S*** happens. Do your homework.
And if you're a seller: don't be a Schrutebag.
Thanks.

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[Rob L]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Jeez, end the drama. Considering a refund after all of this would be ludicrous.

[GarkoCollector]

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This is now akin to a brutal car accident...
You know how it turned out but cant help but look anyhow.

[frikativ54]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Jim Pankovits lives nearby me. I'm sure that if I asked him, he'd clear all this up.....

Leslie, whatever the issue is between you two, should remain between you two. You OBVIOUSLY didnt do your research and paid more for something than just about anyone here would have. I dont know Chris, but as a fellow business owner, kudos to him for turning a profit. If he can get a tremendous price for an item and you dont question it or refuse the item at the price stipulated, then quite honestly that's your fault for not doing your homework. You should research dealers first and have some idea what you're buying and whether its a "fair market price".

If Chris were truly honorable, he would give me a 100% refund. He would say, "I am sorry you are not happy with your item or the signature on it. I want you always to be happy in transactions, so I want to guarantee customer satisfaction." But he didn't. He will only give me $1200 in exchange for a jersey I paid $3275 for. Someone who is just looking to make a buck. On the phone, he told me that I had the jersey from the friend of Jeff's in California. Now in print, he tells me that I have the jersey from the guy in Colorado. Which is it? So misleading. I should have stopped having anything to do with this guy long ago.

You seem to have this thing where you come on here whining about something every few weeks. I collect NY Giants stuff and they tanked in the playoffs. I collect Washington Nationals stuff and they cant even play .500 ball. I've got lots of reasons to complain about the stuff I bought but I dont because I'm happy with my collection.

Please, for the sanity of everyone here, give it a rest.

I don't just come on here whining. There are things in the hobby that should be mentioned. And it's only fair to do them justice. If you are a business owner, perhaps you don't see things from the eyes of the little guy, namely, the collector. I have every right to come on here. But if you would rather I not come on here, that's fine. I don't need to be on here, and the Chris Boyds of this world make me regret ever signing up for this forum.

[GarkoCollector]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Les,
I still dont get why you were still trying to deal with him for those cleats if you didnt like how he handled the jersey OR glove situation.

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

don't be a Schrutebag.

[mbrieve]

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Les,
I still dont get why you were still trying to deal with him for those cleats if you didnt like how he handled the jersey OR glove situation.

That is the million dollar question...

[frikativ54]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Jeez, end the drama. Considering a refund after all of this would be ludicrous.

I asked him for a refund before any of this. He refused. The world world be better if everybody's mother would give their kid the ethics lesson that I got from my Mom when I was younger. And that is to treat others the way you would want to be treated. If Chris's contacts behaved just like Chris does to him, then he would have lost the love for collecting long ago. But they don't. I remember when I was in third grade and I got a steal from a guy who didn't know anything about Magic cards, and my parents informed me that actually I was ripping the kid off. They were extremely angry, and they said what if somebody did that to you? And to this day, I have never misled anybody about fair market value for anything I owned. I wouldn't lie about my sources. But Chris has absolutely no remorse about his mendacity.

[frikativ54]

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Les,
I still dont get why you were still trying to deal with him for those cleats if you didnt like how he handled the jersey OR glove situation.

I thought that maybe he had learned his lesson about how to treat people, and would do fair and honest business with me in the future. I thought that people could change, and I told him that I would give him that opportunity to change his business practices. And when he didn't, telling me he would get me pictures and then never doing as such, and when he starts attacking me over email, because I said that I am still unhappy over the way he treated me, then I obviously didn't want anything to do with him again. I have complained to the BBB and have the words of several other collectors to back up what I am saying. It's not like I am the only one who has had problems with the guy.

[Rob L]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Yep, give me back money, but I need those cleats. Makes little sense.

[Vintagedeputy]

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But if you would rather I not come on here, that's fine. I don't need to be on here, and the Chris Boyds of this world make me regret ever signing up for this forum.

I dont care if you are here or not, doesnt bother me in the least. I just think you should take this disagreement somewhere else, small claims court, wherever. You keep threatening to leave but yet, you remain. You keep complaining but you dont do anything about it.

The man is a dealer. He made a profit on something and if he buys it back, he's going to pay less for it. That's business. You have buyer's remorse. I could spend 2 hours telling you about a 1985 Dan Pasqua jersey that I probably overpaid for, but I dont.

[frikativ54]

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I dont care if you are here or not, doesnt bother me in the least. I just think you should take this disagreement somewhere else, small claims court, wherever. You keep threatening to leave but yet, you remain. You keep complaining but you dont do anything about it.

The man is a dealer. He made a profit on something and if he buys it back, he's going to pay less for it. That's business. You have buyer's remorse. I could spend 2 hours telling you about a 1985 Dan Pasqua jersey that I probably overpaid for, but I dont.

What I don't understand is why fair market value for my jersey last February was $2500-$3500. Then, in Chris Boyd's words, today "fair market value" is $1200. Does a Bagwell jersey lose 2/3 its value in one year? Or did Chris rip me off?