Thank you. I for one would love to see things back on track, back to discussing game used items. All these "off topic" threads do is lead to bickering and arguing.
That's said, let's enjoy the hobby!
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I agree Roberto Alomar's health is his own business and no one else's unless he decides to share it. In today's world HIV is a reality. Just one poor decision can affect you for the rest of your life. Let's face it, being single in your 20's, living the life of a rock star with a bachelor pad and groupies (including at least one female stalker) must have been difficult to pass on the temptations that that particular lifestyle brings.
I just hope he is ok and can live his life the way he chooses without the whispered rumors from the ignorant people in our society.Leave a comment:
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I have ignored this thread because I have grown tired of the off-topic, character threads that seem to flood the board as of recent. Enough with the Arod, steriod, Tejada, Alomar threads. Is this GUU or TMZ?
But since I am posting I will say I agree with Rudy 100%. The lawsuit is a joke. Someone realized her gravy train ended and now needs some cash.
What really annoys me the most is that she said Alomar put her kids in danger. As a parent it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to remove your child from a situation you perceive as dangerous. She failed to act. So either she 1) really didn't believe Alomar to be a danger since she stuck around with him for long after his alleged HIV positive test was revealed, 2) she believed he was a danger but he paid the bills so the risk was worth it or 3) she is an absolute, irresponsible moron for not removing her children immediately from a situation she believed to be dangerous. Any way you look at it, the lawsuit is frivolous.Leave a comment:
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You are coming off quite strong in your posts... I agree with your thoughts basically on the lawsuit, it seems like this is a money grab. What shocked and saddened me is the possibility that Alomar has HIV. It's a pretty easy assumption to make that he probably does have it. Why? Because every single response from him or his family or lawyer doesn't deny that charge. Like I said at the beginning, if it was a libel case it probably would have been followed by "I don't have HIV and I'm going to sue her into oblivion", not "This is a difficult isssue and Alomar wants to keep his health status private".
It's none of our business either way- BUT as a fan, it's a sad possibility. I enjoyed watching Alomar play, considered myself a fan and he probably will be in the HOF at some point. I actually read a newspaper commentary that was calling for baseball writers to elect him on first ballot if he is indeed ill.Leave a comment:
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just read this on the nytimes today:
"As the case develops, it could highlight the issue of H.I.V. testing in baseball, which is sometimes a part of the annual physicals that all players have...H.I.V. testing has been a part of any insured contract in baseball for at least a decade."
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Rudy, that's great to hear that it hasn't taken any of the enjoyment out of the Alomar jersey. That's a sweet jersey you got there and your right nothing can take away what he did on the field regardless of what's going on now.hey dewey
nah not really. it's still a killer shirt. IF alomar does have AIDS, then i think it's sad but it doesn't reflect on what he did in the 90s as a player. it's not like finding out he juiced it all those years. if he has AIDS, then i guess he just made some bad choices in his personal life and obviously he's bearing the full brunt of it. honestly, the enjoyment of the shirt hasn't diminished at all. obviously i'm a fan of alomars'. the shirt, from every aspect, is phenomenal. i guess i'm just a little perplexed at everyone wholeheartedly believing the lawsuit immediately upon reading it. i was just pointing out some of the oddities and reserving my final judgement. i'd do the same for any other player. if frank thomas or robin yount or whoever was hit with the same lawsuit, i'd be making the same posts.
anyway, it's not like magic's announcement in '91 diminished anything for his fans or even dinged the value of his items. magic made his announcement in '91 and you look at how active and involved he is today and it doesn't seem like HIV had any impact on him. as i said, if alomar has it, then hopefully he can live a long, productive life and enjoy his HOF enshrinement next year. the '92 and '93 jays and all of their accomplishments still stand untainted, regardless of whether alomar acquired AIDS after he retired or not. regarding his sexual orientation, i couldn't care less. straight, gay, bisexual, asexual, whatever. none of it pertains to his on-field performance or even his character. mickey mantle was still mickey mantle despite his life turning out less than ideal at the very end.
in fact, i just made an inquiry today towards getting more alomar items
rudy.
With that said let's put this thread to bed and good luck in getting more Alomar stuff for the collection!
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hey dewey
nah not really. it's still a killer shirt. IF alomar does have AIDS, then i think it's sad but it doesn't reflect on what he did in the 90s as a player. it's not like finding out he juiced it all those years. if he has AIDS, then i guess he just made some bad choices in his personal life and obviously he's bearing the full brunt of it. honestly, the enjoyment of the shirt hasn't diminished at all. obviously i'm a fan of alomars'. the shirt, from every aspect, is phenomenal. i guess i'm just a little perplexed at everyone wholeheartedly believing the lawsuit immediately upon reading it. i was just pointing out some of the oddities and reserving my final judgement. i'd do the same for any other player. if frank thomas or robin yount or whoever was hit with the same lawsuit, i'd be making the same posts.
anyway, it's not like magic's announcement in '91 diminished anything for his fans or even dinged the value of his items. magic made his announcement in '91 and you look at how active and involved he is today and it doesn't seem like HIV had any impact on him. as i said, if alomar has it, then hopefully he can live a long, productive life and enjoy his HOF enshrinement next year. the '92 and '93 jays and all of their accomplishments still stand untainted, regardless of whether alomar acquired AIDS after he retired or not. regarding his sexual orientation, i couldn't care less. straight, gay, bisexual, asexual, whatever. none of it pertains to his on-field performance or even his character. mickey mantle was still mickey mantle despite his life turning out less than ideal at the very end.
in fact, i just made an inquiry today towards getting more alomar items
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Looking at this from a completely game used perspective I can see one reason for Rudy's strong reaction to this story. He just got a '92 Alomar Jays jersey which was a grail item and this whole Alomar/Aids story I would guess puts a bit of a damper on the enjoyment in getting the jersey.
It would to me if I received say a Willie Stargell jersey and the next week I found out he infected someone with Aids. The fact that he is one of your favorite players and then he is accused of something so bad it would take a lot of joy out of it whether he was guilty or not.
I could be completely off base with this observation but since this is a game used forum this is the first thing I thought of when reading through this thread.Leave a comment:
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agreed. she endured this immense emotional distress in feb 2006. so she doesn't file suit in 2006. doesn't file suit in 2007. doesn't file suit in 2008. oh dear, looks like 2009 hit, the economy tanked big time and someone needs money so they dig up something that occurred 3 years ago. only what actually occurred given that she tested negative? oh that's right..she was stressed out! 3 yrs ago! and now its time to collect $15 mill for terrible stress that she endured all the way back then. but hey maybe i'm being extreme and most people typically wait 3 years after a non-offense has occurred to sue.
if it turns out that robbie has AIDS then with the current advances in AIDS medicines, hopefully he can continue to live a long, productive life like magic johnson has. if it turns out he doesn't have AIDS, then i hope he countersues until she's left with just enough to spend the rest of her days in some gutter. until then, i'm not going to presume to know the full story.
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what extremes? i'm just pointing out some of the very odd loopholes in the lawsuit. you think it's extreme to say it's bizarre that a woman files a suit, 3 years after not contracting HIV, for $15 mill? she knew in 2006 yet the "emotional distress" didn't reveal itself until now?
anyway, i agree with you in that if alomar has AIDS then so be it and it's very sad. the thing is, unlike many here, i'm not saying he has it or that he doesn't have it. suicide_squeeze has apparently already seen alomar's medical records and not only determined when he contracted HIV but also when it began manifesting into AIDS. many posters are chiming in saying "oh, very sad" as if it's it's already a fact. all i'm trying to point out, other than the oddities in the lawsuit, is that noone knows either way except for robbie. it's "extreme" for me to say that none of us knows whether robbie actually has AIDS or not?
if alomar does indeed have AIDS, if he knew it, and if he intentionally exposed his partner to it, then obviously it's very bad. at this point, noone knows if he has it, noone knows if he knew it, and noone knows if he intentionally exposed his partner to it. despite that lack of knowledge, there seem to many posters practically asking where to send their condolensces. yet i'm extreme? as for the hirschbeck vs alomar debate, obviously i believe alomar's side of the story over hirschbecks'. i'm not the only one.
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From reading the article, whether or not he exposed her to it isn't actually the Legal interest. Morally is another story. But, if she did indeed wait two years after this happened, it's obviously a scheme to try and get money. It's really pathetic, and I'm sure the judge will see it this way as well, this isn't something that you wait two years and then try and pursue, conveniently after the two parted ways. Just my realistic and judicial view on the matter, socially and morally, you could look at it another way.Leave a comment:
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Rudy - I usually agree with most of what you say here...but....
You are really going extreme in defending Robbie. If he has AIDS so be it, but if he in fact did expose his partner to it - bad stuff. I hope he's telling the truth...but I also hoped Clemens was truthful too.
My guess is that there will be a book about it someday, and everything will come to the forefront.Leave a comment:
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the rest of alomar's statement and the recent espn article:
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"As for the lawsuit, it is filled with lies and I am deeply saddened that someone I cared for would make such terrible accusations and try to hurt me in this way," Alomar said in his statement.
Earlier Wednesday, his father told ESPN that Roberto is not ill.
"The only thing that I can tell you is that this is news to us," Sandy Alomar Sr. said. "When a person is sick like that, wouldn't he have to be in the hospital? I haven't seen my son sick like that. I am confident that he is fine."
"We are a family. We are very close, a family that is united. I am sure my son is fine. Other than that, we are going to let the lawyers handle it." Alomar Sr. said he saw his son on Monday when Roberto ended a visit with the family.
"He was well. He wasn't sick," Alomar Sr. told ESPN.
Alomar was honored before the Toronto Blue Jays home opener in April and showed no obvious signs of health problems.
Alomar lawyer Charles Bach told the New York Daily News the allegations are "frivolous and baseless."
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Alomar issued a statement to ESPN, take it as you will. As I commented before it's a pretty sad story...
"This is a very private, personal matter and I greatly appreciate all the support I have received in the past few days from my family, friends and colleagues in baseball," the former All-Star second baseman said in a statement. "I am in very good health and I ask that you respect my privacy during this time."Leave a comment:
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