Roberto Alomar- sad story if it's true...

[kingjammy24]

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according to the story, his gf found out that he tested positive in feb 2006. at that point she suffered "extreme distress". oddly enough, she remained his girlfriend until 2008. apparently she didn't feel like suing until after they broke up.

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

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apparently, alomar had been questioning hirschbeck's calls throughout that game. big deal. hirschbeck then ejects alomar. alomar comes flying out of the dugout and at that point it turns into a he-said/she-said with alomar saying he spat after hirschbeck let loose with the derogatory terms and hirschbeck saying he let loose after alomar spat.

alomar's words about hirschbeck's kid came after the game and hirschbeck didn't even learn about them until the next day. secondly, they weren't even about his kid. here are his infamous words:

''I used to respect him a lot. He had a problem with his family when his son died -- I know that's something real tough in life -- but after that he just changed, personality-wise. He just got real bitter"

wow. what vitriol. real vulgar stuff there. alomar never "went after hirschbeck's kid" like some here seem to think; the implication that alomar was taunting or mocking. the biggest insult in there is alomar calling hirschbeck "bitter". compare those words to what hirschbeck was said to first have called alomar which i hear ranged from f*ggot to motherf*cker to spic and something thrown in about alomar's mother. alomar gets called those names and hirschbeck gets called "bitter". so yeah, hirschbeck got the least of it. the kicker? alomar got a 5 day suspension and hirschbeck got nothing because apparently umpires can say absolutely anything to a player with complete impunity. hirschbeck wasn't even fined. again, he got the least of it.

what's really amusing is how this nothing incident is still remembered so vividly to this day, in an age when you've got one of the biggest players in baseball history admitting he defrauded baseball for 3 consecutive years. i can only imagine what ty cobb did to umpires. if the worst thing alomar did was spit at an umpire who insulted his mother or be bisexual, then he's a saint in a sport with the likes of barry bonds, clemens, a-fraud, canseco, darryl strawberry, and a host of other genuine miscreants.

it's my personal opinion that a $15 million lawsuit launched 3 years after the fact, on the sole basis that his girlfriend developed "AIDS phobia" seems like little more than a shakedown. she didn't contract anything from him but still feels like suing anyway? she's claiming "permanent emotional distress" (apparently from the shock of testing negative) and needs $15 mill to recover.

rudy.

[BaseballGM]

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Wow.....rudy's right up there with Mr.3000 in "eloquence of posting".

Hirschbeck got "the least of it"???

WHAT, rudy, POSSIBLE racial slur could be WORSE than going after the parent, FACE TO FACE, of a dead child?

PLEASE......I'm all ears.....

I don't give ONE CRAPOLA what Hirschbeck said to Alomar......Going after someone who lost a child and stating that to his FACE is grounds for instant death in my book.

I know there's a lot to be said about maintaining one's composure......and Hirshbeck get's the prize, because if I was that umpire, and that piece of garbage has said that to ME, no matter WHAT NAME I had called him......there would have been one ugly scene of ALL-TIME in sports history in regards to a fight on the field. There is NO excuse for going after a parents DEAD CHILD. It would have taken about 9 grown men to remove my clamped hands from his dead crushed throat.


But that's just me.

Just to clarify, Roberto said out loud to a reporter after the game what other players had said previously about Hirschbeck in lockerrooms - that he had become bitter since the death of his son. Inappropriate? maybe but even Jose Canseco (who seems to be credible these days) wrote in his book that there was much more to the Alomar/Hirschbeck story than people realized. Hirschbeck was the aggressor during that argument. Robbie made a poor emotional decision and spat. But, they both gained their composure and eventually became friends.

[bigtime59]

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IIRC, back in the day it was said that Hirschbeck had hit the Latin No-No Button twice (and contradicted himself, besides) calling Alomar a mother fornicating British slang for cigarette.Alomar walked away without saying a word a little over a year later when Hirschbeck called him out on a pitch off the plate to end the 1997 ALCS.

[ChrisCavalier]

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[kingjammy24]

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I know there's a lot to be said about maintaining one's composure......and Hirshbeck get's the prize, because if I was that umpire, and that piece of garbage has said that to ME..

you've completely lost the plot. do you understand what went down?

1) alomar struck out. he disagreed with the call. so far no problems.
2) hirschbeck unleashed a completely unacceptable slur. oh oh, problems.
3) alomar spat.

do you see how #2 came before #3? you seem to think alomar made the comment about hirschbeck's kid before hirschbeck slandered him. he didn't. alomar hadn't said a word about hirschbeck's kid until way after hirschbeck had already become abusive. before alomar even said a word about the kid, hirschbeck had already lost it. hirschbeck uttered a disgusting slur simply because alomar argued a call. so yes, hirschbeck got the least of it. secondly, you seem to think alomar taunted or made fun of the kid. he didn't. he simply said he thought hirschbeck was stressed out from his kid's medical situation. seems like a pretty obvious conclusion to me. anyway, i enjoyed your analysis of alomar's medical condition right down to when he contracted it and when it began manifesting itself. right up there with your analysis of the alomar/hirschbeck incident which you made without a clue as to what hirschbeck even said or how it all went down. excellent!

rudy.

[suicide_squeeze]

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That's what I would suggest too. I am certainly not condoning either guy's behavior back in '96!!!

However, I see they have come a long way together and that article I posted is very pleasant and positive conclusion to their saga...

Just read it.

Amen to that. Glad that Hirschbeck made an effort to clear the air and move on.

and geoff, I couldn't agree with you more.

It makes one take a step back, take a deep breath, and clearly see that life is not all about MONEY and FAME. Some things transcend all of that.

Without the basics, like health......it's all meaningless.

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Wow.....rudy's right up there with Mr.3000 in "eloquence of posting".

Hirschbeck got "the least of it"???

WHAT, rudy, POSSIBLE racial slur could be WORSE than going after the parent, FACE TO FACE, of a dead child?

PLEASE......I'm all ears.....

I don't give ONE CRAPOLA what Hirschbeck said to Alomar......Going after someone who lost a child and stating that to his FACE is grounds for instant death in my book.

I know there's a lot to be said about maintaining one's composure......and Hirshbeck get's the prize, because if I was that umpire, and that piece of garbage has said that to ME, no matter WHAT NAME I had called him......there would have been one ugly scene of ALL-TIME in sports history in regards to a fight on the field. There is NO excuse for going after a parents DEAD CHILD. It would have taken about 9 grown men to remove my clamped hands from his dead crushed throat.


But that's just me.

Do me...and yourself a favor....leave my name out of your topics. You and I apparently do not get along....let's agree to leave it at that. No need to be a complete ass and keep bringing up my name. You go your way, I'll go mine and we can both coincide on this board peacefully. It would be in both our best interests.

Thank you,
Jay

[TNTtoys]

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I would suggest Hirschbeck hit a nerve

That's what I would suggest too. I am certainly not condoning either guy's behavior back in '96!!!

However, I see they have come a long way together and that article I posted is very pleasant and positive conclusion to their saga...

[geoff]

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This is Sad to me because Alomar is one of my all time Favorite Players.

[suicide_squeeze]

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I remember this all too well. It was started by Bobby Valentine proclaiming that "baseball is probably ready for an openly gay athlete." What then transpired was a media circus, where everyone and their grandmother thought he was speaking about Piazza. I have no idea how they got this ridiculous idea... Piazza had a reputation of being quite the ladies man by this time. Anyhow, I digress.
The way I interpreted this statement was that he was probably referring to Roberto Alomar, as he was with the team too. The Hirschbeck incident is what put this idea in my head. As it was obvious that the comment that led to the spitting was nothing racial at all. Anyone who saw the events unfold with the slightest ability to read lips knew what was going on. Apparently the media had their own agenda. As usual.

TNT.......I am without knowledge of the "lip reading" consensus.

Are you saying that Hirschbeck called him something that started with an "f" and ended with a "got"?

THAT is what I would have quessed, but never knew. If that is the case, I stand by what I said. Alomar is lucky I wasn't the umpire that day.

And based on Alomar's reaction to it in saying what he said, I would suggest Hirschbeck hit a nerve (or hit the nail) "right on the head".

[TNTtoys]

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Here's some perspective on Alomar v. Hirschbeck

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/05/15/alomar_hirschbeck_ap/

[suicide_squeeze]

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whether or not the MLB or team tested, there's still the issue of the insurance company testing. magic got tested as a requirement for life insurance. alomar had no insurance taken out on him by any team?

anyway, i think it's interesting that she's suing for $15 million for "AIDS phobia". she didn't contract anything yet simply the emotional distress of "AIDS phobia" is worth $15 million. the lawsuit says she learned of it in early february 2006. she filed the suit in late january 2009, almost 3 years after she suffered such a traumatic experience.

as for anyone who brings up the hirschbeck incident, i'll assume that you know what hirschbeck said to alomar first to provoke that reaction. there are some widely accepted ideas and alomar only confirmed it to be a "racial slur". if the lip-readers out there are right then hirschbeck got the least of it. i'll also assume that you're over the age of 12 and have progressed enough as a human being to understand that AIDS isn't "karma" for spitting on someone 10 years prior.

rudy.

Wow.....rudy's right up there with Mr.3000 in "eloquence of posting".

Hirschbeck got "the least of it"???

WHAT, rudy, POSSIBLE racial slur could be WORSE than going after the parent, FACE TO FACE, of a dead child?

PLEASE......I'm all ears.....

I don't give ONE CRAPOLA what Hirschbeck said to Alomar......Going after someone who lost a child and stating that to his FACE is grounds for instant death in my book.

I know there's a lot to be said about maintaining one's composure......and Hirshbeck get's the prize, because if I was that umpire, and that piece of garbage has said that to ME, no matter WHAT NAME I had called him......there would have been one ugly scene of ALL-TIME in sports history in regards to a fight on the field. There is NO excuse for going after a parents DEAD CHILD. It would have taken about 9 grown men to remove my clamped hands from his dead crushed throat.


But that's just me.

[TNTtoys]

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i remember a few years back when the story about mike piazza being gay was going around,which obviously was false.but there was also a story going around at the same time that there was a player on the east coast who played in the majors that was gay. alot of people were mentioning robbie alomars name.like i said there is no way to ever verify that but i find it interesting that this lawsuit comes out now and is said to have happen around when that story was making it's rounds back then.

I remember this all too well. It was started by Bobby Valentine proclaiming that "baseball is probably ready for an openly gay athlete." What then transpired was a media circus, where everyone and their grandmother thought he was speaking about Piazza. I have no idea how they got this ridiculous idea... Piazza had a reputation of being quite the ladies man by this time. Anyhow, I digress.
The way I interpreted this statement was that he was probably referring to Roberto Alomar, as he was with the team too. The Hirschbeck incident is what put this idea in my head. As it was obvious that the comment that led to the spitting was nothing racial at all. Anyone who saw the events unfold with the slightest ability to read lips knew what was going on. Apparently the media had their own agenda. As usual.

[suicide_squeeze]

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yes i can only imagine what'll be like to learn that she may have contracted HIV/AIDS 13 years ago and lived with it ever since without any symptoms. "what? you mean for the past 13 years i've had AIDS and didn't know it?". brilliant. sort of like snapping your leg in two pieces and only realizing it 10 yrs afterwards huh?

right up there with having a guy sued by a woman who said they had sex numerous times and wondering about his sexual orientation.

and before i read yet another inane thing about hirschbeck and spit:

from the CDC:

"Saliva, Tears, and Sweat
HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. It is important to understand that finding a small amount of HIV in a body fluid does not necessarily mean that HIV can be transmitted by that body fluid. HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV."

rudy.

Not my point, rudy.

She had a relationship with the guy. She will no doubt feel badly for him, and at the same time gratefull that she hadn't dated him in more recent years. Sad, shocked, even horrified, yet relieved and fortunate, rudy.

He must have contracted it sometime within the last 9-10 years is my guess (from everything I've read about the desease). It may have started to "manifest" in the early to middle 2000's, hense his "health" difficulties.

That said, I believe he must have strongly suspected himself, knew it, but just wouldn't accept it. Only he knows the full extent of his "personal life" and the possible ramifications of it.....which is why I think he was living in denial. Then, the day came where he had no choice but be forced to find out. Truly irresponsible deeds to himself, family, and friends who care about him. Just a sad sitch.