I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

[cordovacollector]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

He is now free to apply for work where he desires. Companies are allowed the option not to hire him or not, like any other person they are looking to hire. If the NFL decides they do not want to hire him, he is free to look elsewhere for employment and fill out applications like the rest of us. He should be given no extra consideration to for the NFL to "have" to allow him to play. Other professions have morality clauses and people are expected to meet those expectations.

Personally, I would hope he is not hired to play football again where youth are likely to consider him a star. He tarnished that all by himself. He is free now to look for another job -- all by himself.

[NEFAN]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Precedents have been set, other "criminals" have been allowed to remain to the NFL as well as other major sports. He should be allowed to return and earn a living. I don't condone in any way what he did, but he paid the price. If he didn't learn he'll screw up again and that will be it for him.

[gingi79]

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I am amazed that the average fan allows other criminals to rejoin the NFL without punishment but Vick is shunned. Dogs are man's best friend and while I personally don't think he should get a tryout from owners because of the PR backlash, money and winning are all that matters.

He didn't kill a human being (like a certain Ravens HOF LB) he didn't take steroids (Vikings and Saints can't be suspended for this huh?) and he doesn't play for the Bengals, who could populate a county jail all by themselves. The Rickey Williams fiasco, Adam Pacman Jones, Matt Jones. How many guys have at least one DWI? Let's not even get started on players who are now in the HOF after drugs, adultery and assault (Irvin, LT, etc)

Just like the steroid mess in MLB, if a guy can help you win a title, fans will forgive anything. If Vick signs with the Raiders and they win the Super Bowl, how many fans are going to care about his past?

What he did was wrong and I'm the first to jump on my soapbox and decry it. But just like so many other opinions, mine doesn't really matter. I don't own a team or control the NFL. I'd love to stand here and say that the owners will start caring about morality and accountibility but I think they'd sign Charles Manson if he could run a 4.20 40.

[oakesc8855]

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Ignorant??? While I do appreciate and respect your opinion, in the future, make them without having to insulting someone.

Sorry, not trying to insult you but I think some of the things you said come across as ignorant, nothing personal I'm just a straight forward person.

[kingjammy24]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

hot damn, another michael vick thread! i bet this one's gonna be totally different than the previous one:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=25903

if i'm following this new one so far, what i'm gathering is that there are two main schools of thought; in summary:

1) vick deserves to play in the NFL
2) no he doesn't

i bet if we just take this new one for another 100 posts or so, we can all totally come to an agreement.

even vick wouldn't kick a dead horse this much.

rudy.

[oakesc8855]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Just to make things clear as of my opinion clear I think he should have the oppurtunity to play after he serves a suspension if he gets one from Goodell I just think that he deserves the public scruitny he is going to get.

[ndevlin]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Im more upset over the Stallworth case. 20 some odd days for killing someone!

He took it upon himself to get drunk, get behind the wheel, then hit and kill a person. His sentence....24 days in jail. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

If Vick gets a year in jail for killing dogs, then that little punk Stallworth should get at least 5 for killing a person.(I personally think more).

Im not saying one case is more important than the other, but they are definitely unbalanced. I mean think about it....24 days in jail for taking a life....sheesh.


Id love to see Stallworth get a 10+ yr sentence.

[earlywynnfan]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Didn't I just read that the guy who stole Lance Armstrong's bike got 3 years?? The whole thing is skewed.

And am I the only one who was disgusted by the hero's welcome that Manny got? I know he didn't kill anyone, I'm not equating it to that, but I think it shows that baseballs fans don't care beans about steroids and the like. Juice them all up, we'll cheer away!!

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

hot damn, another michael vick thread! i bet this one's gonna be totally different than the previous one:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=25903

if i'm following this new one so far, what i'm gathering is that there are two main schools of thought; in summary:

1) vick deserves to play in the NFL
2) no he doesn't

i bet if we just take this new one for another 100 posts or so, we can all totally come to an agreement.

even vick wouldn't kick a dead horse this much.

rudy.

In all fairness to Tony (who started this particular thread), he feels strongly about "Do the crime, do the time".......and then leave the guy alone so he can make amends with himself and society.

There have been some good comments here in this thread. But I'll take it one step further.

If the scum in our society that perpetrates crimes like this weren't deeply twisted and mal-adjusted in the first place, these crimes wouldn't happen. But, there ARE twisted infected unwired individuals like Vick who do these sick things. Some get caught, some do time.

The question of whether or not he should be allowed back into society, play football, etc. is in my opinion, silly and missing the point.


The POINT here is, this guy has been identified as a cruel, sick, murdering bastard. This is not something you can just laugh off, say "I'm sorry, I made some wrong decisions in my life, I'll just make sure not to do them again."

NORMAL PEOPLE don't do sick things like this. This freak is now free to go do as he see's fit.

And we have already seen what "his view" is of what to do on his spare time. Any wrath he get's is just an expression of the outrage against his prior actions which are not comparible to making a left turn through a red light at a busy intersection. This guy bought a freaking HOUSE in the backwoods to perpetrate these heiness deeds!!! Additionally, the backlash is about further having to cope with the uncomfortable fact that this guy is now walking around in our society again. People have a right to be outraged, upset, and aggitated by the pure sight of him. He's got a tough road to hoe in from of him, and I don't know if he has the character to overcome it.

You see, people, you can cage the tiger for wandering onto your backyard and eating your pets......but once you release him, he still has that same genetic make-up inside.

In my opinion, he should have a $12.00 an hour security guard job watching over a large storage wherehouse in an outback town far away from society.

But that's just me.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Didn't I just read that the guy who stole Lance Armstrong's bike got 3 years?? The whole thing is skewed.

And am I the only one who was disgusted by the hero's welcome that Manny got? I know he didn't kill anyone, I'm not equating it to that, but I think it shows that baseballs fans don't care beans about steroids and the like. Juice them all up, we'll cheer away!!

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Ken,

I can only speak for myself.

But I posted on the Manny debacle when it happened. I lost ALL respect for him. He is yet another embarrassment that we all have to live through, because we do give second chances. And, to make matters worse, I am a HUGE Dodger fan.

But I just bought my James Loney game used jersey from the GUU Store, got it yesterday. It's a beauty, tons of use. James doesn't put up the numbers Manny does, but I know James is clean. I respect him. I love the guy, he does charity word in our city, he is everything RIGHT about baseball.

All I am looking for in regards to Manny these days is........his retirement.

Sorry for getting off topic, but I just wanted you to know there are people out here who care about what is right.

[3arod13]

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Didn't I just read that the guy who stole Lance Armstrong's bike got 3 years?? The whole thing is skewed.

And am I the only one who was disgusted by the hero's welcome that Manny got? I know he didn't kill anyone, I'm not equating it to that, but I think it shows that baseballs fans don't care beans about steroids and the like. Juice them all up, we'll cheer away!!

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Not the only one:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=26893

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Im more upset over the Stallworth case. 20 some odd days for killing someone!

He took it upon himself to get drunk, get behind the wheel, then hit and kill a person. His sentence....24 days in jail. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

If Vick gets a year in jail for killing dogs, then that little punk Stallworth should get at least 5 for killing a person.(I personally think more).

Im not saying one case is more important than the other, but they are definitely unbalanced. I mean think about it....24 days in jail for taking a life....sheesh.


Id love to see Stallworth get a 10+ yr sentence.

Nate,

I believe this has been commented on before, but I'll take a stab at trying to make you feel a biut better for the (arguably) light sentence....

The MAJOR difference between Vick's crime, and Stallworth's accident is not man vs. dog, not ultimate effect of losing a few dogs vs. losing a member of a family who was a father, bread winner, etc.......

.....it was "intent".

Stallworth, although responsible and absolutely accountable for drinking and then getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and causing a death, as horrible as that is, was an accident. He never intended to kill anybody.

Michael Vick,inversely, planned and masterminded an intricate dog-fighting ring while financially backing the whole operation, with the intent to carry on dog fighting to the death on a regular basis.

The "intent" behind what Michael Vick did, and the absense of intent in what occured due to Stallworth's bad decision......are two entirely different things, and you can see the recognized results of that in the sentences each got.

I am not arguing in any way with your point of view, I am just trying to ease your frustration by explaining the views of law and what punishments are based on. We, as a society, however, may lean more towards your view so feel free to be angry, just understand why these things happen as they do so you it won't eat at your gut. Personally, with all of the old news about "drinking and driving" in this day and age, I happen to agree with you......it's rediculous at this point in time for anyone who makes this ongoing mistake to be let off so easy.....but it happens.

[3arod13]

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In all fairness to Tony (who started this particular thread), he feels strongly about "Do the crime, do the time".......and then leave the guy alone so he can make amends with himself and society.

Pretty much my point. Shouldn't have used Vick as the example though.

[ndevlin]

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Nate,

I believe this has been commented on before, but I'll take a stab at trying to make you feel a biut better for the (arguably) light sentence....

The MAJOR difference between Vick's crime, and Stallworth's accident is not man vs. dog, not ultimate effect of losing a few dogs vs. losing a member of a family who was a father, bread winner, etc.......

.....it was "intent".

Stallworth, although responsible and absolutely accountable for drinking and then getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and causing a death, as horrible as that is, was an accident. He never intended to kill anybody.

Michael Vick,inversely, planned and masterminded an intricate dog-fighting ring while financially backing the whole operation, with the intent to carry on dog fighting to the death on a regular basis.

The "intent" behind what Michael Vick did, and the absense of intent in what occured due to Stallworth's bad decision......are two entirely different things, and you can see the recognized results of that in the sentences each got.

I am not arguing in any way with your point of view, I am just trying to ease your frustration by explaining the views of law and what punishments are based on. We, as a society, however, may lean more towards your view so feel free to be angry, just understand why these things happen as they do so you it won't eat at your gut. Personally, with all of the old news about "drinking and driving" in this day and age, I happen to agree with you......it's rediculous at this point in time for anyone who makes this ongoing mistake to be let off so easy.....but it happens.

Yeah, I know that Stallworth had no intentions of killing anyone. But he did intend to get drunk, then decided to get behind the wheel. Though he didnt mean to kill anyone, he still did. And I think that should be a longer sentence than 24 days in jail. To me, thats absurd.

[Capital-Sports]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

I think he should work the night shift at Wal Mart stocking shelves.