Pete Rose possible reinstatement..

[redoctober]

Re: Pete Rose possible reinstatement..

LET HIM IN!!! LET HIM IN!!!


Seriously though... I am as big of a Rose supporter as anyone. I just wish that he had handled all of this better throughout -- I know he wants to manage again, but he has a chance to get into the HOF if he agrees to no involvement in today's game. One part of me says -- let it go... just get into the Hall.

The other side of me says... F--- it -- get full reinstatement or nothing. The man clearly loves baseball, understands baseball,& still has a lot to GIVE to baseball.

The more I think about it... he should hold out for full reinstatement -- this is what would truly make him happy. The HOF nod at this point is actually kind of like going through the motions. It is important, but EVERYBODY acknowledges that he belongs -- isn't that all that really matters??

Plus... as Rose ages, he will be allowed into the HOF before he passes. Unless he dies suddenly, he will be let in if he becomes ill in a life threatening manner. I know this sounds grim, but even BUD would give him his due at that point.

So -- I say -- hold out to manage the Reds again, Pete!!!!!!

[cincy13]

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I'm a native cincinnatian, and a reds fan, but Pete should not be allowed back in baseball. People think since he bet on the reds to win, it's ok, the fact is, he bet on the reds to win if certain pitchers were in the lineup on that day; which means if the other pitchers were pitching he wouldn't bet, the bookies then knew what pete thought of the reds chances of winning on that day. The other reason is, the pros are never satisfied with what they make, if rose gets in, you will see players being bought to throw a game. Pete did bet on baseball when he was a player, some think it was only when he was a manager (according to an ex-player whos been aroung a loooong time). I loved watching Pete play, but greed rules; letting Pete in would only tell the current players that it's ok, you'll get in the HOF even if you throw a game. I'm just sayin.....

[Swoboda4]

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Rose bet for the Reds to win -Jackson bet for the White Sox to lose.
Both are bad one is worse-Jackson's. Jackson was good enough to let balls fall in for hits and not look like misplayed errors. Fact is he could have caught them. Rose bet on a game to the detriment of the previous days game because there's the risk he won't overplay people the day before. His focus was on the one he going to bet on. Rose definitely can't be allowed on a MLB roster but should be eligible for that private organization,the Hall of Fame.
I met him yesterday at Cooperstown and kind of feel sorry for him. I like him. His jersey and bat are on display in the museum,why if he shouldn't be there.
Everyone has a tale to tell. Mays and Mantle were banned for being associated with gambling casinos. Feller had no problem shaking Mays' hand yesterday afternoon.
Jackson is a slick person who allowed his team to lose.

[33bird]

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Yea, I agree with some of what was said. I don't think Pete has ever felt bad about anything except how it all affected his nice life. But, I'm not saying he should manage again. In fact, it looks like he'd have to agree not to manage. I think that's only fair. Let him be a hitting coach or bench coach or announcer. That would be much better than seeing him sign at the forum mall 3 days a week.

[staindsox]

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He is also selling t-shirts and hoodies on his site. Good thing he apolgized.

The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught.

[staindsox]

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I think baseball needs to Rose out. We are already dealing with one cancer (PEDs). We don't need to invite a second problem back in. People are missing the big picture on this issue. Re-instating him doesn't just mean being eligible for the Hall. It also means he can be on the field again. I heard an interview where he said he wants to coach again. We also know he is still gambling. If any team would be stupid enough to give him a chance, he would only end up doing the same damn thing again.

As if that weren't enough, the fact that he is selling these baseballs tells me his "apology" is less than sincere.

He is a cancer and is where he belongs...on the outside.

Chris

[skyking26]

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Rose made the gambling mistakes we are all aware of, and made it worse by lying about them for so many years. However, I think 20 years is punishment enough. We all know the integrity of the game is suspect with roids, etc., so let Rose in... He's the hit KING.

RK

[skinsfan0521]

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His numbers are better than a few HOFers. Take Hack Wilson for example. He played 13 seasons, batted .356 with an OBP of .423 and a SLG of .517! He has practically 1800 hits! That's enough to get in. The hold up was that he was banned by the idiot commisioner at the time Mountain Landis. Besides his lower numbers, he should be allowed in simply because he was wrongly convicted and wrongly withheld from finishing his career. We all know that if he was allowed to finish his career, he would have dwarfed some of these other HOFers easy. Anyways, we'll see where it falls.

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about how good Shoeless Joe was or debate if he should get in or not...

What I will debate though is your comment about how if he were allowed to finish his career, he would have dwarfed other HOF numbers... people were saying the same things about Ken Griffey Jr., Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, etc. How they were going to crush all the numbers and records and it wasn't even going to be a contest. Well, lots of other things can happen during a career that can derail the putting up of extreme numbers.

Again, I have no idea what kind of talent or numbers Shoeless Joe had when he was playing, but you shouldn't just put somebody in based purely on their potential.

Imagine all the people who could be put in on potential...

Just my .02

-Brian

[sylbry]

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Landis was a pompous a-hole and Joe Jackson was the sacrificial lamb of baseball in the 20's.

Amen!

Although I think the legend of Shoeless Joe Jackson is greater than Hall of Famer Shoeless Joe Jackson. Shoeless Joe is like Babe Ruth's called shot. It is a story that should never conclude.

[brianborsch]

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His numbers are better than a few HOFers. Take Hack Wilson for example. He played 13 seasons, batted .356 with an OBP of .423 and a SLG of .517! He has practically 1800 hits! That's enough to get in. The hold up was that he was banned by the idiot commisioner at the time Mountain Landis. Besides his lower numbers, he should be allowed in simply because he was wrongly convicted and wrongly withheld from finishing his career. We all know that if he was allowed to finish his career, he would have dwarfed some of these other HOFers easy. Anyways, we'll see where it falls.

[33bird]

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The only thing Pete was ever convicted of was tax evasion. The debate I've heard against Shoeless Joe-is go look at the numbers. They aren't great because he didn't play long enough.

[brianborsch]

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If Rose gets in then they HAVE to allow Joe Jackson. Joe Jackson was found not guilty in a court of law for God's sake! We can't say the same for Pete Rose.

Not to mention that a person's sentence is over when they die. That's how the prison system has always done it. So why is Joe Jackson's sentence still going on? Landis was a pompous a-hole and Joe Jackson was the sacrificial lamb of baseball in the 20's.

[joelsabi]

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I always thought that Selig would tackle the reinstatement of Rose in 2009. Why? 20 years since the banishment was handed down. Isn't 20 years long enough? Anyway, it's been reported Selig is looking at it once again, and Hank Aaron said Rose should be in the HOF this weekend. I think the Hammer being in support of Rose being in the HOF will really help the cause. I know Rose has handled all of this terrible in the last 20 years but the worst thing he did was bet on HIS REDS to win. I don't believe that is an unforgivable sin. I think 20 years out of the game covers that sin. If he had bet against his team then I'd be in support of never letting him back in, but he did not do that. I know there are a few HOFs that don't like it. Feller and some others, but I think the majority feel he should in-just like Aaron. I'd also like to see him back on the bench. I'm sure the same mistakes would never happen again. Just my 2 cents.

http://deadspin.com/5323634/hank-aarons-convoluted-logic-could-put-pete-rose-in-the-hall-of-fame

sorry looks like i am side tracking your thread with my post of Joe Jackson but I think if they want to relook at Rose they should do the same for Joe Jackson.

[rj_lucas]

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Sorry, one additional thought. There is a precedent for reinstating Rose.

People forget that Bowie Kuhn banned Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays from baseball for their ties to a Las Vegas casino, and this was AFTER they had been inducted in the Hall of Fame.

Mantle and Mays were later reinstated by Peter Ueberroth.

Rick
rickjlucas@gmail.com

[justinwc80]

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Its time! He is an alltime great that should be in the hall. Its not a hall of morality, its a hall of fame.