Pete Rose possible reinstatement..

[schubert1970]

Re: Pete Rose possible reinstatement..

I think the Mantle/Mays thing could be different then Rose. If Shoeless isn't getting in anytome soon, Rose has no shot at all. I'll give you 10-1 odds.

[staindsox]

Re: Pete Rose possible reinstatement..

.....the point being......there were a LOT of rotten eggs in the basket besides the "8 men out".

Maybe it should have been called the "8 scapegoats a grazing"?

Why do you think Shoeless Joe tried twice to return the $5K? Because he wasn't involved? He may not have activly participated, but he knew.

So I ask you....what's the difference? He took the $5K for hush money? C'mon........

Jackson is a scapegoat...THEY ALL KNEW.

It is funny if you read Landis' statement. Where was Jackson more guilty than anyone else?

"Regardless of the verdict of juries, no player who throws a ballgame, no player that undertakes or promises to throw a ballgame, no player that sits in conference with a bunch of crooked players and gamblers where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed and does not promptly tell his club about it, will ever play professional baseball."

Joe:

1) Never sat in conference with the players when fixing games was discussed (even Weaver did this).

2) Never promised to throw games. They used his name to make the fix sound sweeter to the gamblers.

3) Was given money AFTER the Series, but and tried to return it the next day (yes, this is prompt). Then tried to bring it up again when he signed his 1920 contract.

Guess what...Schalk and Collins both knew about a fix (just as much as Jackson) and didn't come forward. Comiskey knew too and even tried to bury it. Ban Johnson was in the same boat. Those are a lot of tarnished Hall of Fame plaques.

The point is that it is easy to assign blame to eight players and everyone has a tendancy to view this as a somewhat isolated incident. EVERYONE was involved to some level; whether fixing a game, trying to cover it up, or just trying to ignore it. Several Series before 1919 had been fixed and the Black Sox dumped games in the 1920 pennant race too. Game fixing was pervasive and almost destroyed the game. Viewing it through this lens, it is understandable why MLB has consistantly taken such a harsh stance on gambling since 1920.

[33bird]

Re: Pete Rose possible reinstatement..

Well, unlike Pete, Shoeless's joe's statistics don't warrant HOF induction. Go check em' out and you'll agree with me. And you can't say shoulda, woulda, coulda either. If you do we'll put Bo Jackson in the HOF too.