JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

[camarokids]

you are correct. That jersey is a retail jersey. That company looks like a low level company anyway. I would bet you that they do not even have an NFL lisence to use that photo? I will pass it on to the Jets for their review.

There have only been 2 Mark Sanchez jerseys to come out of the locker room. I dont want to break forum rules and cause an uproar on this forum so I will say it like this: the first Sanchez jersey of the year went to a sponsor company out of Las Vegas, NV and the second was kept by Sanchez so far. That is the information the sponsored company has.

Hopefully this is a better post for everyone.

Words directly from the horses mouth right above......

So how many jerseys have there been of his ????

Did a jersey of his really sell for 20k ????

Maybe you did just that and cause an uproar????

Where is the accounting for the jersey you sold? If you did sell a jersey of his?

Was it a true gamer???

Not trying to bust your balls, but I am just reading YOUR words, and I am a little confused with your math!

[lehmsbobby]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

This shall be interesting...

especially after he freaked out trying to delete the post!

[Dewey2007]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

JO Sports is the sponsor company out of Las Vegas that got the first Sanchez jersey. Jarrod probably just didn't want to use the company name.

[indyred]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

They had his very first regular season jersey. It had nice wear on #'s and shoulder area. It is still on site, look at the pictures. It is a super easy photomatch on getty. I found a couple really good ones on it. They have a bazillion pictures of Mark from that game. Someone got a real nice jersey in that one.

[indyred]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Here some pictures of gamer from Sanchez very first regular season gamer JO Sports sold on it's site.

nice shot of him after the game from getty

[camarokids]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

JO Sports is the sponsor company out of Las Vegas that got the first Sanchez jersey. Jarrod probably just didn't want to use the company name.

Well, that sounds like an easy explanation. I would not have been confused if he had just said me or I received the first jersey.

[aeneas01]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

It is a super easy photomatch on getty. I found a couple really good ones on it. They have a bazillion pictures of Mark from that game.

couldn't agree more - in fact i'm finding that it's extremely easy to photomatch modern big name player items that come with team paperwork. between getty, us presswire, wire image, ap, mlb, flickr, etc., etc. it's really very easy to photomatch these things. and it's probably why jarrod doesn't include photomatched images with many of the items he lists on his site with "PHOTOMATCHED" in the title description.

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[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

in fact i'm finding that it's extremely easy to photomatch modern big name player items that come with team paperwork. between getty, us presswire, wire image, ap, mlb, flickr, etc., etc. it's really very easy to photomatch these things. and it's probably why jarrod doesn't include photomatched images with many of the items he lists on his site with "PHOTOMATCHED" in the title description....

rubbish. some guy pays $20k and he has to do the photomatching work? take meigray..if barry sells you a piece as "photomatched" then not only do you get the match but you get the actual getty photo itself (purchased and without the watermark). barry sells you what he says he's selling you.

the fact that it's easy for you robert is no statement on what a seller ought to provide nor is it any statement on the fact that it may not be easy for others. they've paid for a photomatched piece so they ought to get one! common bloody sense.

you say you've got a photomatch? good, show me. you want me to match it myself? then take a good 50% off because that's the minimum of what a solid match is worth. what would JOSports have charged for the sanchez if they had actually provided the match? $40k? $50k? no, they still would've listed it at $20k which means they charge the photomatch price and don't provide any match. they charge the client but don't do the actual work.

if it's so easy, then do it! or stop selling pieces as "photomatched" that don't come with any photomatches.

rudy.

[indyred]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

It would be smart if JO Sports did get a getty access similar to how MeiGray has a deal with them. Where you can get the image and even blow it up without losing quality to find even better photo matches.
It is really cool how MeiGray does include all the information of the photo and also has MGG seal branded into it. Also includes MGG NHL Gameworn logo on them. Really adds to owning a game used jersey.
JO Sports is still a new company. I think it is awesome they are on the scene and getting more NFL teams. Maybe in time they will be seen as MeiGray is to NHL, JO is to the NFL.
Here is an example of what MeiGray getty photo looks like, although I'm sure most have seen them. Very well done. With including the getty image # and the location and date photo was taken.

[aeneas01]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

rubbish. some guy pays $20k and he has to do the photomatching work? take meigray..if barry sells you a piece as "photomatched" then not only do you get the match but you get the actual getty photo itself (purchased and without the watermark). barry sells you what he says he's selling you.

the fact that it's easy for you robert is no statement on what a seller ought to provide nor is it any statement on the fact that it may not be easy for others. they've paid for a photomatched piece so they ought to get one! common bloody sense.

you say you've got a photomatch? good, show me. you want me to match it myself? then take a good 50% off because that's the minimum of what a solid match is worth. what would JOSports have charged for the sanchez if they had actually provided the match? $40k? $50k? no, they still would've listed it at $20k which means they charge the photomatch price and don't provide any match. they charge the client but don't do the actual work.

if it's so easy, then do it! or stop selling pieces as "photomatched" that don't come with any photomatches.

rudy.

so based on this post and your post in the other thread i gather you feel if an item is advertised as photomatched and the seller opts to not include a photo of the match among the other photos of the item then, by default, the seller a) in effect, is engaging in false advertising b) has no right to refer to the item as photomatched c) obviously never did find a photomatch d) never even bothered to look for a photomatch e) clearly expects the buyer to find their own photomatch and f) unfairly gains from the work of the buyer. is that what you're saying rudy? really? kinda of hyperbolic, no?

how about this rudy - could this be a possibility: the seller has indeed photomatched the items but has simply chosen to only include detailed photos of the actual item instead. and all a perspective buyer has to do, if interested in the item, is ask the seller for additional photos and information which the seller would be more than happy to provide. is there any chance that's what's actually going on? any chance whatsoever? or must it be, can it only be, something much more insidious, dark and nefarious?

btw it's rather interesting that you chose to bring up meigray given meigray happens to list their items as photomatched without including an image of the photomatch among their lot images as well. pretty much exactly how josports lists some of his photomatched items - take a gander:









in fact meigray doesn't even bother to offer any sort of item description whatsoever! under "item details" a show-me guy like yourself would find "paymnet info", "shipping info" and "customer service" which offers this: "please feel free to contact us if you have any questions regarding this jersey". tell me, is this what you had in mind when you stated "barry sells you what he says he's selling you."? seems to me barry isn't saying much about what he's selling you rudy... should we start the same sort of thread about meigray or do they get a pass because of the after-purchase photo one gets?

look, i dig the hell out of meigray - i think they run a first-class operation based on everything i've heard. you clearly like them and i respect your taste. yet for some reason you seem to want to attack josports even though they seem to sell their merchandise in exactly the same manner as meigray (sans the photo w/ purchase).

have you ever done business with josports? ever inquired about one of their photomatched items and asked if they would provide you with a photomatch? my guess would be that josports would be more than happy to oblige and refer you to getty images xyz - my guess is meigray would do the same.

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[indyred]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

That is a good point. I'm big fan of MeiGray as well, but they don't show photo match itself that I've seen in its listings on their site. Also, for the service, you have to pay extra in most cases. I know when they did auction some LeBron James game worn jerseys on NBA.com. They did say it was photo matched and it would be included in the auction to the buyer, but never had the photo itself in the auction.

[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

"how about this rudy - could this be a possibility: the seller has indeed photomatched the items but has simply chosen to only include detailed photos of the actual item instead."

sure it's possible. what does this have to do with you and jarrod? are you saying you guys were sitting on photomatches this entire time? really? so when i made my very first post, rather than simply saying "no problemo chief, we'll post 'em asap. thanks for the request!", the Forum got a colorful earful from jarrod about how he doesn't have to post anything, a song-and-dance from you about how bidders can go find their own matches, and an apparent disagreement between you and jarrod about whether the ringo jersey was or wasn't really photomatched. yeah that totally sounds like a couple of guys sitting on photomatches this whole time. in the case of the romo, there are 2 empty photo slots. so you were sitting on romo photomatches this entire time and simply thought it'd be better to show 2 empty slots instead right? yeah that makes sense. why show a photomatch when you can show blank space instead. oi. to answer your other question as to whether it's possible for this to be the case. with some sellers, sure. with you and jarrod, no.

"ever inquired about one of their photomatched items and asked if they would provide you with a photomatch?"

yes. here were jarrod's responses to my request:

"..take a 1959 topps card zoom in on the left sleeve numeral "5" (here, jarrod gives me instructions on how to match), "It's NOT MT JOB", "I dont have to supply any photos to the auction", "No where state "KINGJAMMY request if you state an item as photomatched then you must supply the photo", "Get off YOUR ASS and search the photo's to prove it wrong", "If you have anymore questions in regards to the photomatches Chris can help".

i would've included more of his great responses but it seems they were magically edited out of the "GUU Fall 2009 Auction" folder. sort of hard to talk about how jarrod responded when GUU apparently edits his responses. good thing jarrod's got the right friends to quickly dismantle the monuments to professionalism that he builds. "more than happy" isn't quite how i'd describe his response to my request for the matches. apparently, jarrod doesn't believe "..if you state an item as photomatched then you must supply the photo". yet you say all i had to do was ask him and he'd happily oblige? yeah. 22+ posts later, everyone's finally obliging very happily.

"my guess would be that josports would be more than happy to oblige and refer you to getty images xyz"

well based on jarrod's actual responses, your guess would be wrong. it's all right there in black and white. until GUU decides to erase it.

"..my guess is meigray would do the same."

well yes but barry meisel is no jarrod oldridge. tell you what, i'll ask barry where his photomatch is. i'll let you know if he tells me:

a) it's super easy to go find the pics myself, as you did

b) to "get off my ass", as jarrod did

rudy.

[mvandor]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

BTW, for the GUU Administration: if your goal is to raise industry standards, wouldn't a policy of posting photos supposedly proving a photomatch with listings identified as such be a nice step forward?

Me thinks it would be. And likely will improve bidding, and thus consignor return and your vig.

[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

i do think meigray ought to show the photomatch in their listings. however, while it may not be in the listing, the buyer is sure to get a very nicely done photomatch afterwards. a match that meigray spent its own time and effort producing. is that same case with JO/GUU?

look, initially robert did not say all you had to do was ask. initially he stated that "..it's really very easy to photomatch these things. and it's probably why jarrod doesn't include photomatched images with many of the items he lists on his site with "PHOTOMATCHED" in the title description." so he didn't state that JO has the matches and all you have to do is ask. he obviously and clearly implied that the reason JO doesn't have matches is because its easy for buyers to do themselves. and in fact when JO was asked for matches, what did jarrod post? some were matches, some weren't. it hardly looked like anything anyone had spent much time and effort producing. the romo was piss-poor and the johnson was weak. the portis was a good match as was the brees. they didn't even agree on the ringo so i don't see how they'd been sitting on it this whole time. for $20k, i hope the sanchez buyer got a beautiful, watermark-free, glossy 11x14, rocksolid photomatch and not just instructions from jarrod to "zoom in" on some website. (like everyone's well-versed in image software).

if all anyone had to do was ask, then i really fail to see why this turned into a 22+ post thread with jarrod saying he doesn't have to provide anything and robert waxing poetic about how easy it is for bidders to find their own pics.

rudy.

[BarryMeisel]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Gentlemen,

Thanks for raising great points about listing jerseys as photo-matched, and for the obvious good suggestion.

Unless there is a valid reason we cannot (and I will check with my website staff to see if there is any reason we haven't done so yet) we are going to begin including the photo matches in the description when we advertise a jersey as photo-matched.

FYI, when we advertise a jersey as photo-matched, we are able to provide the photo. But I agree with the suggestions here that we should include the photo-match with the listing for prospective buyers.

Regards, Barry