Hof Induction On Wednesday.who Doyou Want In

[earlywynnfan]

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Next year's class is pretty weak if I remember correctly. Both Blyleven and Alomar will be shoo-in's for next year if they are this close. Larkin will be someone that waits for a few more years, but will make it. Jack Morris and Lee Smith might be the next Jim Rice scenarios.

Chris

I just posted on the other HOF thread: "Next year's ballot also will include newcomers Rafael Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, Larry Walker, Jeff Bagwell, John Franco and Kevin Brown."

I agree, pretty weak.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[Chris78]

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Next year's class is pretty weak if I remember correctly. Both Blyleven and Alomar will be shoo-in's for next year if they are this close. Larkin will be someone that waits for a few more years, but will make it. Jack Morris and Lee Smith might be the next Jim Rice scenarios.

Chris

[mbrieve]

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I wouldn't say he is as deserving as alomar but Larkin was a very good ballplayer. With Larkin there is not really any reason to say he is not hall of fame worthy....

The problem I see is that his numbers look less favorable compared to current Shortstops. The position has changed since Larkin was playing it as his best.....will people remember that now in voting? I guess we'll find out.

Congrats to the Hawk, it is well deserved!

I think Bert and Alomar will both get in eventually...Alomar is being punished for some of his indiscretions.

I think Larkin was hurt by all the articles that, rightfully, compared him to Alan Trammell. I believe they are both HOFers, but when Trammell is getting less than 50% year in and year out, it is hard to vote for his peer.

[STLHAMMER32]

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Would about Larkin ? Me and others have stated a handful of times earlier in this thread the case for him. I think he's just as deserving.

I wouldn't say he is as deserving as alomar but Larkin was a very good ballplayer. With Larkin there is not really any reason to say he is not hall of fame worthy....

The problem I see is that his numbers look less favorable compared to current Shortstops. The position has changed since Larkin was playing it as his best.....will people remember that now in voting? I guess we'll find out.

[tjm5711]

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You aren't lying, tough to take advice with this market but Ron Paul's advice about Gold a decade ago looks good now...

Robbie will be a Hall of Famer but I think the voters would not let him get in on the first ballot. He is deserving but the spitting incident probably cost him a first year.

Would about Larkin ? Me and others have stated a handful of times earlier in this thread the case for him. I think he's just as deserving.

[STLHAMMER32]

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I wouldn't be asking anybody for stock advice in the roller coaster market of the last couple years. I don't have any huge problem with him getting in. I am surprised Barry Larkin or Robbie Alomar didn't get closer. Both of them definitely belong in my opinion.

You aren't lying, tough to take advice with this market but Ron Paul's advice about Gold a decade ago looks good now...

Robbie will be a Hall of Famer but I think the voters would not let him get in on the first ballot. He is deserving but the spitting incident probably cost him a first year.

[tjm5711]

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Don't take it the wrong way...I am truly glad the guys that put him in did not feel the way you did. You made it very clear that you felt he would never make it and I am glad he did because the guy is a class act and did things not many can say they did regardless of how good they were. I am not looking for harsh dialogue but lets just say I want be asking you for any stock advice any time soon

I wouldn't be asking anybody for stock advice in the roller coaster market of the last couple years. I don't have any huge problem with him getting in. I am surprised Barry Larkin or Robbie Alomar didn't get closer. Both of them definitely belong in my opinion.

[STLHAMMER32]

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Wow, you didn't waste much time rubbing that in ! I'm not going to do you the favor and engage you any further. You're obviously just trying to create a harsh dialogue back and forth.

Don't take it the wrong way...I am truly glad the guys that put him in did not feel the way you did. You made it very clear that you felt he would never make it and I am glad he did because the guy is a class act and did things not many can say they did regardless of how good they were. I am not looking for harsh dialogue but lets just say I want be asking you for any stock advice any time soon

[tjm5711]

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The Hawk is in, glad the voters did not see things the way you felt.

Wow, you didn't waste much time rubbing that in ! I'm not going to do you the favor and engage you any further. You're obviously just trying to create a harsh dialogue back and forth.

[STLHAMMER32]

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I never said I wanted EVERY Hall of Famer to have those numbers. Like I said, you made very solid points. You can debate for days who should, and shouldn't be in the hall. And in my opinion Andre Dawson, shouldn't get in. And I really doubt he ever will !

The Hawk is in, glad the voters did not see things the way you felt.

[whatupyos]

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UHHHH What??? The best second baseman in the game period in the 90's and it is not even close. Other than the spitting incident, I am not sure how anyone can suggest he is not a HOF'er.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof10/...rry&id=4781279

I misunderstood the title of the thread. It was who do YOU want in, I thought it was who would or should be in. Alomar a first timer, no way, that was my reaction. I remember he was good, but I don't remember him being the best. Thats fine if others think he was, but honestly, in my opinion, he doesn't seem hall worthy.

Aaron

[bigtruck260]

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How does Alomar's spitting incident compare to Raines' headfirst slide so he wouldn't break the cocaine vial in the back pocket of his uniform?

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Agree in principle Ken.

At some point there will be a reality show that goes to graveyards across America and exhumes HOF baseball players to test their bones and what's left of their flesh for evidence of PEDs and illicit/illegal drugs. Only then will we truly find out how many HOF players from the 70's and 80's truly did blow during their playing days. We should have the technology by then.

I mean Paul Molitor was a clean marine for MOST of his career, but he still admitted to having a COKE problem early in his career.

People make mistakes in the heat of competition...and Robbie spitting on Hirschbeck was a mistake that he apologized for.

Raines admitted that he used COKE during his career. So did a few others...probably more than a few. I would guess that the majority of players in the HALL did something over the course of their career that the general public would frown upon, but that's life.

Do you think that the following line was ever muttered in MLB dugouts in the 80's?

"If it's good enough for Lonnie Smith, it's good enough for me. Pass that mirror...."

[legaleagle92481]

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Blyleven,Dawson, and I hope Raines gets closer,he was truly one of the greatest lead off hitters of all time! NO ALOMAR! I know that hofers have done worse but the spitting and personal life in disaster is just too much! I raised my kids and coached them playing ball and even though they sometimes taunted the opposition, I would have ripped them both a new one if they ever spat on someone,anyone.That goes against everything baseball stands for. I would have preferred a fist fight!

Alomar was the top second baseman in baseball for a dozen years with noone else even close, if he is not a hall of famer it is time to close the place. Personal life? What are you talking about? Whether or not he has AIDS is irrelevant and his business. It sounded more like a shakedown from a bitter exlover than anything else. Anyway Magic Johnson has HIV and he is in the basketball hall of fame and unlike Robbie, Magic was a married man when he got by committing adultery with who knows how many women and who knows how many women got it from him. Look at Puckett, Eck, Cepeda and Boggs all recent hall of famers with personal issues. Puckett had a whole Sports Illustrated cover story devoted to his treatment of women, Eck was an alcholoic, Cepeda had drug problems and Boggs had the Margo Adams scandal. As far as spitting, is that really worse than Juan Marichal attacking someone with a bat during a game or Gaylord Perry doctoring the baseball? They are both hall of famers. And Tim Raines your hall of fame choice was known for sliding head first so as not to harm the illegal drugs in his back pocket and spent much of his career as anything but a star. And Bert B. was probably not even a top ten pitcher from the 1970s-1980s era in which he played. Would you pick him over Seaver, Palmer, Ryan, Carlton, Perry, Jenkins, Niekro or Clemens? The guy pitched 22 years and received a Cy Young vote only four times never finishing higher than 3rd, made only two All Star teams and won only 37 games more than he lost and had one 20 win season.

[JETEFAN]

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Hmm, if this is true, why'd he only start one All Star Game? I think McGwire, Carew, Rose, Garvey, and even Al Oliver could, uh, carry his jock. If you look at the lineup of the game he DID start, he's probably the 10th best position player there!

And let's be totally honest, Pucketti isn't exactly a world-class HOFer.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

If this is all you got, I think you just helped make my point, thanks !!

George

[STLHAMMER32]

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HOW does it compare,not at all! Raines had a 2 year addiction that could have destroyed his own life! Alomar disgraced the entire game. After the Alomar aids rumour,you think the ump checked himself out! The guys a pig!

The guy may be a pig but one moment should not destroy a career. He is a Hall of Famer without question. He used very poor judgement but if you want to keep him out then there needs to be several players removed for character issues.