Almost another perfect game

[gameused]

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I can see if it was a bang-bang play, but it wasn't even close. The runner was clearly out!

Do you think that ump is prejudice? If it was a "white" pitcher on the mound, do you think the outcome would have been different?

Bobby

[tigerdale]

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I was there last night....28 straight outs!!

[5kRunner]

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it would be cool if it was overturned. would love to have the second Perfect Game from a pitcher who happen to be Hispanic. Baltimore's Denis Martinez being the first.

FYI: Martinez was an Expo when he threw his perfecto.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/07281991.shtml

[cjclong]

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I TOTALLY disagree with the post of Yanks12025, but there was NO reason to make a PERSONAL attack on him. I think its the people who attack others personally rather than use logic to argue with them who ought to either refrain from doing it or not post themselves. When I made the comment wondering if the umpire did want the mo hitterto take place for some reason I really meant was there something in his sub conscience that made him call the play wrong. This not a play in some 12 -3 game in late August between two teams that were out of the race. This was a very important and for baseball routinely easy call in a no hitter. If he missed one this easy and important it makes you wonder what other calls he is missing. And I hate to see racism attributed to someone without proof. Right not we have no more reason to think Joyce wouldn't have made the same horrible call if Verlander had been pitching.

[gingi79]

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I have this real stupid thing I do called "thinking." I look at a situation and based upon logic and prior experience make an opinion which is grounded in fact. If I make a mistake, I apologize and try to make it right. I'm human, I mess up but I also take responsibility for those mistakes.

If the Ump says he messed up and the whole world sees he made a mistake, can someone explain why this wasn't just overturned last night? Perfect game, no hitter, 0-0 in the 4th inning between two teams with a sub .500 record in late August. It doesn't matter. If the Umpire makes a mistake and apologizes and the call is overturned, that is called integrity. In a sport that seemed to be drowing in steroids for the last decade to have pitchers suddenly throwing no-hitters like they are Nolan Ryan is incredible. It says to me that maybe Baseball has cleaned up their act a little. Maybe it's not just roid induced hitting records.

Today, Bud Solig gets a truly golden opportunity to do the right thing for baseball. He also has a once in a lifetime chance to take his name out of the headlines for ruining the Game and instead for doing what was right to HELP the game.

We cannot look at the situation with an eye for what it may lead to. This is a once in a lifetime chance to see a grevious error and to fix it. It does not have to lead to replays or coaches challenges. It will however lead to a renewed faith that the Management of MLB stands for the integrity of the game, for making sure that a player who does everything right and earns his Perfect Game will not have it stolen from him by what amounts to a proverbial clerical mistake.

[skipcarayislegend]

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C'mon. Joyce shouldn't be fired for this. I know there are a handful of perfect people around here who never make mistakes, but my gosh. He probably feels worse than anyone about it. Hopefully ole Bud will do the right thing and reverse the call.

Perfect games are bad for baseball? LMAO. Funniest thing I've heard in weeks.

I can see if it was a bang-bang play, but it wasn't even close. The runner was clearly out!

Do you think that ump is prejudice? If it was a "white" pitcher on the mound, do you think the outcome would have been different?

Bobby

Bobby, you're kidding right?

[Manram]

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C'mon. Joyce shouldn't be fired for this. I know there are a handful of perfect people around here who never make mistakes, but my gosh. He probably feels worse than anyone about it. Hopefully ole Bud will do the right thing and reverse the call.

Perfect games are bad for baseball? LMAO. Funniest thing I've heard in weeks.




Bobby, you're kidding right?

As he should feel terrible........ Took away a perfecto from the kid.

[skipcarayislegend]

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"Galarraga bitterly sipped a beer minutes after the blown call negated his place in baseball history. An apology and hug changed his attitude.Joyce, in tears, asked for a chance to apologize after the Tigers beat the Indians 3-0.

"You don't see an umpire after the game come out and say, 'Hey, let me tell you I'm sorry," Galarraga said. "He felt really bad. He didn't even shower."

[cjclong]

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I'm not saying he should be fired, but he shouldn't be let off the hook either. There are plenty of nice people who get fired for not doing their job. There is no way this was a close of difficult call. In this situation why didn't he ask for help. I bet the second base umpire could have told him he missed it. And I had forgotten there is precedent for overturning a call even in the middle of a game. Remember the "pine tar" game where George Brett hit a home run against the Yankees and had it taken away on the pine tar issue on his bat. The umpires call was over ruled and the game was replayed from that point. Here it would not have to be replayed. Just a thought.

[eisenreich8]

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I have this real stupid thing I do called "thinking." I look at a situation and based upon logic and prior experience make an opinion which is grounded in fact. If I make a mistake, I apologize and try to make it right. I'm human, I mess up but I also take responsibility for those mistakes.

If the Ump says he messed up and the whole world sees he made a mistake, can someone explain why this wasn't just overturned last night? Perfect game, no hitter, 0-0 in the 4th inning between two teams with a sub .500 record in late August. It doesn't matter. If the Umpire makes a mistake and apologizes and the call is overturned, that is called integrity. In a sport that seemed to be drowing in steroids for the last decade to have pitchers suddenly throwing no-hitters like they are Nolan Ryan is incredible. It says to me that maybe Baseball has cleaned up their act a little. Maybe it's not just roid induced hitting records.

Today, Bud Solig gets a truly golden opportunity to do the right thing for baseball. He also has a once in a lifetime chance to take his name out of the headlines for ruining the Game and instead for doing what was right to HELP the game.

We cannot look at the situation with an eye for what it may lead to. This is a once in a lifetime chance to see a grevious error and to fix it. It does not have to lead to replays or coaches challenges. It will however lead to a renewed faith that the Management of MLB stands for the integrity of the game, for making sure that a player who does everything right and earns his Perfect Game will not have it stolen from him by what amounts to a proverbial clerical mistake.

Matt, very lucid and spot-on post.

Integrity is an operative word here. It's not like there is a gray area or an eternally vexing question of uncertainty. The man himself who made the erroneous call has admitted his major gaffe. So, it's not like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. Make an over-riding administrative decision to reinstate the Truth and help lift the cloud that, IMHO, has darkened the baseball sky since ca. 1994.

I am over my personal snit regarding Jim Joyce and now hope that sensible thought and action prevail, issuing forth, of course, from the commissioner's office.

[G1X]

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As a first-basemen in my youth, my initial thought when I saw the controversial play developing was, “What the heck is Miguel Cabrera doing?”

Yes, the umpire blew the call, but it should have never come down to a “bang-bang” play. If Cabrera had played his position correctly and covered the bag instead of roaming halfway to second base, it would have been a fairly routine play for the second baseman.

One of the first things a good coach will teach an aspiring first baseman – immediately after teaching the proper foot-work and keeping your rear end out of the baseline – is to never roam too far to your right as it usually spells nothing but trouble. Those coaches can probably never find a better example than Cabrera’s misplay.

I am making no excuses for the blown call - and Cabrera did field the ball cleanly and made the throw - but I continue to be amazed at the lack of fundamentals at the Major League level. It's the little things like this that get you beat - or in this case, contribute to costing your pitcher perfection.

Just my view and intial reaction as I saw the play unravel.

Mark Hayne
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[MSpecht]

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It's a good thing that Joyce won't be ump'ing any of Stephen Strasberg's games beginning Saturday... I'd hate to see him put in the same position again...

Mike

[xpress34]

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As much as I would love to see this call overturned, it will not happen.

Selig is spineless - I mean you're talking about the man who let the All-Star Game end in a tie...

Everything about the way this game ended SCREAMS for it to be corrected and Selig is the ONLY person with the authority to do it, so don't expect anything to happen.

I mean it took Congress to get him and his cronies to take the Steroid issue seriously and unfortunately, I don't think the Feds will be calling about a bad judgment call.

I do feel bad for Galaragga and Joyce and I honestly don't think anyone feels worse about the whole situation than Joyce.

It reminds me of a scoring error back in 1991 at Arlington Stadium when i watched Nolan 1 hit the White Sox.

The 1st batter hit the 1st pitch line drive towards 1st base - Palmeiro stumbled and the ball went in and out of his glove... called a hit rather than an error. Nolan shut them down the rest of the game.

Kind of the opposite of this issue as it was the 1st batter rather than the last. NO, I wouldn't expect the scorer to go back after the 27th out to change it to a no-hitter, but on the LAST play of the game?

I'm against re-play, even though I do my own on the VCR - and if you do too, you might be surprised how many blown calls there really are...

What surprises me though, is if the play was even close that the Ump went with the runner in a no hit/perfect game bid on the LAST out.

Maybe Bud will grow a pair and do the right thing, but I for one won't be holding my breath.

Just my .02

- Chris

[5kRunner]

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It won't be reversed.

NEW YORK (AP)—Bud Selig won’t reverse an umpire’s admitted blown call that cost Armando Galarraga(notes) a perfect game.
Selig says Major League Baseball will look at expanded replay and umpiring, but not the botched call Wednesday night.



Umpire Jim Joyce says he made a mistake on what would’ve been the final out in Detroit, where the Tigers beat Cleveland 3-0. The umpire personally apologized to Galarraga.

Against my better judgement, I will say I agree with the decision not to reverse the call. Not saying a third perfect game in a month is a bad thing. My feelings are: Joyce made the call as he saw it. The call was wrong. Oh well. Calls are blown in every stadium, every year. This would have opened the doors for future calls to be reversed. Hopefully this doesn't lead to more instant replay. Just my opinion.

Fire away.

[godwulf]

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Bug (misspelling intentional) Selig is spineless. Just when I start to have a tiny bit of regard for the man - as when he recently announced that the 2011 All-Star Game would remain in Phoenix, despite politically-motivated protests that it be moved - he fails to do the right thing yet again.

Incidentally, somebody referenced the 2002 ASG, which ended in a tie, and that is not a good example of Bug's spinelessness. Brenly and Torre had both depleted their bullpens to the point where they were in danger of getting somebody hurt, and you don't risk injury to win what is supposed to be an exhibition game. What was Bug supposed to do? Demand that the teams continue to play, despite both managers' expressed desire not to do so?

Back to the topic at hand, however, I am thoroughly disgusted. This calls for a huge letter-writing campaign, or something.